Author	Thread: To My Calvinist Brothers and Sisters.....
Admin	To My Calvinist Brothers and Sisters..... Posted : 28 Jan, 2011 04:13 PM I do about "Jacobus Arminius" and his followers 5 points. The reason no one makes a fuss about it is cause they are not following him, because probably over 90% of non-Calvinist believers don't even know who he is. Absolutely no disrespect intended ; but Calvinists are viewing this from a environment of Calvinism where 99.9% of the believers have been taught about Calvinism vs Ariminian theology. I suspect the truth is if you surveyed all those who are Not Calvinists and had them define their beliefs on the 5 points you would find the majority of them adhere to a mixture of both. The other thing to bring to light is most non-Calvinists do not even know the 5 points much less have them defined. Yet from the perspective of a Calvinist who subconsciously thinks it is a given that all believers have thought through the 5 points just as he/she has because they are paramount in "his/her" faith, is not seeing the picture clearly, especially when it comes to labeling all others as Ariminians or a 3 or 4 point Calvinist. I was raised Catholic and am not comparing Catholicism with Calvinism, but I do know what it is like to have to shed all the preconceived doctrines and interpretations of scriptures to be able to see clearly. I am not saying 5 point Calvinism is wrong. It is just people in the forum and on some web sites I found just parrot doctrines with no understanding. I am quick to recognize this only because past experience with the Catholic Church, then later with Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons. I am not saying Calvinism is a cult! Just that they tend to see things ONLY from the perspective of a Calvinist. I have asked sincerely for Scriptural Proof and get the same thing over and over like I am supposed to understand the meaning Calvinists have been taught since youth and have poured into their verse and automatically believe. Does this make sense to anyone? Post Reply
View Profile History	To My Calvinist Brothers and Sisters..... Posted : 28 Jan, 2011 04:22 PM It makes a lot of sense! I know very little about Calvinists. I just lnow that the ones here remind me of a group of Bullys. I'm gonna google Calvinism. chevy Post Reply
View Profile History	To My Calvinist Brothers and Sisters..... Posted : 28 Jan, 2011 04:47 PM Oh NO !!! Dont go there Chevy...Please !!!...Youll get stuck betwix the 2 Dead dudes Calvin & Armin an lose sight of the Lord Christ Jesus*...DONT DO IT !!!...Luv Yall...Hava blessed weekend...xo Post Reply
View Profile History	To My Calvinist Brothers and Sisters..... Posted : 28 Jan, 2011 04:50 PM Yes it does it just proves again the integrity of the word of God!! Post Reply
View Profile History	To My Calvinist Brothers and Sisters..... Posted : 28 Jan, 2011 04:56 PM 2sparrow, Calvins 5 points has nothign to do with knowing what GOD has to say about man's being unable to do anything for himself outside of God. Calvin only put together those things that he saw in what God has said about mankind. Surely, you should know why you were saved and God's plan for mankind's salvation? Surely, you know what grace is all about and how it works if you are born again. Surely, you should know that man has no righteousness before God on his own. Surely, you understand how reconciliation works. Calvin did not creat the doctrine of grace, God ghas told us in his word about His grace, Calvin only form a group of words found in thebible based on scripture and formed TULIP. I don't know why it is that you are not understanding all of this, its all about salvation and man's need for God, and God's soverignity, pwoer and authority over man, and God's redemption pwoer to bring his creation back to Him in a right satnding relationship. As I said, its not about Calvin, or Arminus, it all about what God has said, and these men only put it all together to try and explain how it works in relationship to God and man. Surely you've read Romans, and if so, then you will know that that man is totally depraved, we are without sin and incapble to save ourselves or do anything without God's help. Plain and simple. Romans chapters 3 - 8 really points this out... there is no one who is righteous... even in your best moments. There is no man who can keep the 10 c0mmandments. If s, i sure would like to meet him or her, this is why we have forgivennes of sins, we cannot keep the Commandments. we are incapable totally depraved in dhaving the pwoer to do so. Post Reply
View Profile History	To My Calvinist Brothers and Sisters..... Posted : 28 Jan, 2011 05:03 PM Men have made a doctrine out of the work Calvin and Arminus did. There are many doctrines that MAN has put togethr and people follow that have nothing to do with salvation. But The doctrine of God's GRACE AND SALVATION IS BIBLICAL and all scripture has pointed out how it all works. I'mnt hung up on Calvin or Armninus, I hung up on Jesus, and what God has said about me not having power in my own might to do anything without Him. That's all this is about... nothing more and nothing less. You just don't understand what the 5 points are all about and how it fits into your relationship with God based on what the scripture says... Post Reply
flyby View Profile History	To My Calvinist Brothers and Sisters..... Posted : 28 Jan, 2011 05:08 PM Is there not 144,000 somewhere that are not totally depraved and have keep the tem commandments? Post Reply
View Profile History	To My Calvinist Brothers and Sisters..... Posted : 28 Jan, 2011 05:13 PM Ella, Yes, however, all this is taken to such extremes (as a Calvinist would say) "to bring 'maxium' glory to God". For example; denying the possibility without scriptural support, that man, created in God's image no longer retains after the fall a innate ability to respond to God's call. Post Reply
View Profile History	To My Calvinist Brothers and Sisters..... Posted : 28 Jan, 2011 05:20 PM Well, I am a Calvinist, so here is my answer and comments to Twosparrows: First off, Calvinism is just a nickname for five points of doctrine. I get SO sick of people saying "you follow calvin, etc" when John Calvin died a HUNDRED years before the followers of James Arminius came along. You see it is an uphill battle all the way for me because first, modern American Christians are IGNORANT of church history. Then, a certain percentage hate the idea of God being sovereign in election, and lastly, they are IGNORANT of the Scriptures! PLEASE go to this link, and READ the verses of Scripture, and THEN decide if YOU saved yourself because YOU chose Jesus, OR it was God who saved you before the world was made! http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/gracelist.html Two sparrows said: "but Calvinists are viewing this from a environment of Calvinism where 99.9% of the believers have been taught about Calvinism vs Ariminian theology." The truth is Calvinist are dealing with modern American Christians who know next to NOTHING about The Fall! they know NOTHING about church history, and so to quote twosparrows, we Calvinists are dealing with "an environment" of ignorance, concerning church history, AND the Scriptures. Trust me, there is a LOT more than just five points of doctrine that Modern American Christians don't know about! And there are BAD ATTITUDES that are SO common with modern American Christians, like actually thinking that church history is not necessary, or important. If you could go back in time to the earliest days of America, YOUR OWN COUNTRY, and stand in a room with the Pilgrims and Puritans, YOU WOULD BE SHOCKED at what they believed, and HOW MUCH MORE THEY UNDERSTOOD THE BIBLE. Have you ever met some internet wackjob, that thinks he is some kind of prophet, and says all the Christians are wrong, and only he has the inside scoop about what the Bible really says? Well, I am the opposite of that. I can SHOW you that What I believe has been believed by Christians for the last TWO THOUSAND YEARS. I can show you from theologians today, to the Puritans and before them the Reformers, and before them the middle ages, and before that the Early church fathers, and before them the apostles themselves. Modern American Christianity is a mile wide and an inch deep! Sorry for the rant, but sometimes it just gets to me. In Christ, James Post Reply
View Profile History	To My Calvinist Brothers and Sisters..... Posted : 28 Jan, 2011 05:30 PM Jude-- Wish I would have seen your post earlier. :prayingm: Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Post Reply
View Profile History	To My Calvinist Brothers and Sisters..... Posted : 28 Jan, 2011 05:40 PM Calvinism is just a nickname is stated in many, many of the blogs. Why do all of them insist on making a point of that? Post Reply

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