Thread: discussion on Yohanan Aleph (1 John) 2:1-6
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discussion on Yohanan Aleph (1 John) 2:1-6
Posted : 20 Jan, 2011 11:20 PM
"My little children, I write this to you,so that you do not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Intercessor with the FATHER,YAHSHUA MESSIAH, a righteous ONE.
2) And HE HIMSELF is an atoning offering for our sins, and not for ours only but also for all the world.
3)And by this we know that we know HIIM, if we guard HIS commands.
4)The one who says " I know HIM" and does not guard HIS commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5)BUt whoever guards HIS WORD, truly the love of ELOHIM has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in HIM
6) The one who says he stays in HIM ought himself also to walk,even as HE walked."
the ISR translation
so we are to walk even as HE walked right? if that is true and this WORD is true then we are believe that a GOOD SON would not go against HIS FATHERS rules,,so did YAHSHUA break any of the Torah? NO and we should try to walk even as HE walked,,and don't say my goal is the law i am saying this once and for all NOTHING HAS EVEN SAVED ANYONE BUT GRACE!!!!! EVER!!!!
And yes we are too be lead by the SPIRIT but if we are not following the will of the FATHER as YAHSHUA did (walking as HE walked) then we are really being lead by the SPIRIT are we,,no we are being lead by the flesh??
my goal is to let the SPIRIT move you to have ears to hear and eyes to see so there is no more i can do than point the way it is up to you to not grieve the SPIRIT and it is up to the SPIRIT to let you grow
We do not have a difference of facts, rather a difference in focus. Lets look at some often overlooked facts:
*We are not Jesus in the sense Jesus is Jesus, nor do we live in the same time, environment, body and most importantly do not have the same individual calling on our lives as He did. Therefore from some perspectives we will not walk the same way Jesus did. So in light of the scripture you provided, what perspective rings true?
Jesus said, He only did what the Father was doing. So should we only do what His Spirit is doing. Does His Spirit teach Law breaking?......of course not! The real question becomes the interpretation of the Law, which brings us to our next overlooked fact
*Jesus was accused of Blasphemy, Sabbath Breaking, Consorting with known Prostitutes, Partying with Gluttons and Drunkards, Wine Making, Rude Behavior, Destruction of Property in the Temple etc... Jesus was a accused Law Breaker. Yet fulfilled the Law!
So here we are 2000 years later. Religious people still pointing fingers, declaring "it's unlawful, it's unlawful" just as they did to Jesus. Yes, we are to walk as Jesus walked ; by the Spirit and if we do, we are promised the world and the religious will treat us the same way.
blessing to you brother in the Name of YAHSHUA MESSIAH
i don't have to point fingers the Torah does it for me when people break it i have nothing to do with it,,
yes YAHSHUA did as the FATHER commanded HIM and how was it that HE was and is obedient to HIS FATHER? By keeping the Torah of which HE said HE did not come to destroy but to complete? now by completing does that mean HE destroyed it and now it is no good cause HE did away with it as HE said plainly in Matt 5 that HE did not come to do??
Yes we are to walk in every way we can like HIM,, How did Peter,John and Paul walk brother did they walk kinda like HIM or completely like HIM,,Did they go out and make followers as HE did? Did they go out and heal like He did ? Did they go out and proclaim the GOOD NEWS of HIM? yes they did and they did not do it by breaking Torah,,they still kept the Appointed Times they still met on Shabbat and they still ate as we have been commanded to eat in the Torah as Peter said I have not eaten anything common or unclean and the vision was about the gentiles being graphed in anyway not about food
The Torah is not up for interpretation for that matter the Scriptures say they are not up for interpretation but rather followed to the best of your ability ,,yes we are not the Atoning Sacrifice that YAHSHUA was but we are to suffer with HIM on the cross,taking up our stake daily.
We are to follow the Torah and keep the commands for all our generations it is by the flesh we seek to comfort ourselves with our commands or filter out the ones that we don't like and make a religious system that is comfortable for us that we can live with rather than following obediently and submitting to the will of the FATHER
The SPIRIT is a gift a comforter not an excuse to live lawless
Romans 8:3 'For the Torah being powerless,in that it was weak through the flesh, ELOHIM having sent HIS own SON in the likeness of flesh of sin, an concerning sin, condemned sin in the flesh,( HE used a weaker vessel than HIM as hasatan used a weaker vessel to trick and lie us condemning us in sin ,hasatan used the form of something weaker than him (serpent hasatan was created a messenger)to lie to Hava and ADAM and make them fall,and YHWH used a weaker vessel,,the flesh to condemn flesh,,it all goes around in circles that is why we are to keep HIS Feast and HIS cyclical way of doing things so that we are not in the dark to the way HE does things
Romans 8:4 "so that the righteousness of the TORAH should be completed in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the SPIRIT."
Romans 8:7 "Because the mind of the flesh is enmity (which was put between the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent hasatan) towards ELOHIM, for it does not subject itself to the TORAH of ELOHIM, neither indeed is it able,8 and those who are in the flesh are UNABLE to please ELOHIM."
Romans 8:14 "For as many as are lead by the SPIRIT of ELOHIM, these are the sons of ELOHIM."
So you can not be a son of ELOHIM if you are unable to please HIM and the way to please HIM is to believe FIRST in HIS SON and to keep HIS commands ALL OF THEM
Brother this is the last i will post this long to you,,i am not here to win arguments or am i here to debate Scripture i am here to show you and others that we need to look closer at what we have inherited from our fathers as truth,,i am here to try and win you from hasatan who distorts the way we see and hear our FATHER,,it is a battle with hasatan and YHWH wins but i want as HE wants that none should fall away ,nowhere in the Scripture does it say or confirm with disobedience nowhere does it say that the MESSIAH will come and do away with the Torah ,,think about a Righteous and Good son what does he do?? he does what his father asks and after he does what his father commands is it after that completion that he never has to obey that command again? if a son lives obeying his father who is righteous and upright in all things all his life till he is of age and leaves the house then he goes out and does everything opposite that his father taught him,,did he ever really learn or keep his fathers commands? no because he would have only been doing them for show as many were doing with Torah when MESSIAH came,,HE was there showing that you walk according to the will of the FATHER writing the commands on our hearts,,how do you write commands on your heart then break them in every way to suit comfort of the flesh,,giving relaxing, comforting advice and not telling brothers and sister to set themselves apart from false doctrines and times not appointed by the FATHER,,itchy ears i tell you,,,,so MESSIAH is in Heaven with the FATHER right now,,do you think HE is resting on the Sabbath with HIS FATHER?? or do you think it doesn't matter what day HE rest as long as HE rest or pays respect to HIS FATHER one of the days,,are we to believe that MESSIAH is in Heaven not keeping HIS FATHERS commands because HE the SON did away with them,,HE said HIMSELF that the servant is not greater than the MASTER and you tell me who is the HEAD of MESSIAH ??? the Sabbath Day rest is coming brother,,soon we will be in the millennial Sabbath and we do right to know when it is,,when MESSIAH comes back HE will not be having HIS Kingdom of lawbreakers here on earth it will be the Kingdom of ONE Body,,ONE Assembly,ONE Church and that church my brother is Yisra'el
the reason i say i am not writing these long responses is because i have learned that i can only fight for you so much and i have to shake the dust off and move to the next town,person or country,,,brother i write this so that you listen to the SPIRIT in you and not your own voice i pray that if you listen to the SPIRIT you will hear the FATHER calling you under HIS wing to be obedient to HIS will,,we are to be workers of Faith strong and bold,,a light to the nations,,servants of the MOST HIGH ,,we are called to make followers and spread the GOOD NEWS that YAHSHUA paid our debt not that HE is a disobedient SON who does away with what is perfect,,nothing is wrong with the Law it is us that is not perfect and therefor it is us who is cursed under the Law but we have MESSIAH who has paid for us to be an INTERCESSOR for us,,I am not saying at all that we should not look to the SPIRIT for our guidance,food,,for all things but when i see that we can not understand the elementary matter of the Scripture how are we to focus on the meat,,the SPIRIT is our guide and we should listen to it always for it is the SPIRIT that guides us,,it is not the SPIRIT that worries me about you but your lack of focus to the law which will not save you but will tell you when you are not following in sync with the FATHER and HIS SON,,brother i pray that you are blessed beyond your dreams and that you are lead by the SPIRIT of TRUTH and LIGHT ,,may YHWH keep you and bless you,,may HIS face shine on you all of your days
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
This section is for Biblical "discussion", even your topic is prefaced with the word "discussion". Yet you reply; you are not here to debate Scripture? Rather you are here to "show" others. You have stated Scripture is NOT open for interpretation..... Huh? Only if I were God would I not have to "interpret" Scripture.
However, keeping a open mind, I ask you to show me without interpreting what the following Scripture means :
John 5:16-18
"So because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted him. Jesus said to them " My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working." For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."
