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Posted : 19 Jan, 2011 11:45 AM

The law of sowing and reaping



The law of faith



These two laws where established from the beginning of man in Genesis, they are in operation on the earth and you are operating whether you realize it or not.



Do you operate these laws in the light of the word of God?



Do you operate them in light of the will of man?

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Posted : 19 Jan, 2011 12:40 PM

PJ,

I think most understanding of the law of reaping and sowing is in harmony, but, the Law of Faith; there is diverse understandings. Can you explain what you mean?

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Posted : 20 Jan, 2011 08:55 PM

I think both of these laws are made null, no matter what they may be described by, through love. If we seek to replace this 'law' with any other we will fail all laws, that is laws according to the will of God. However, if there is something that I did not address, send me an email and ask or explain more. If you were just fishing and trying to correct others with your questions, I just hope your intentions were caused by love, first for God, then for those who may read what you leave behind.

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Posted : 21 Jan, 2011 08:47 AM

Two I don't believe for one minute that most people on this site have any understanding of either law, but anyone can be free by coming to the truth.



How does one come up with the idea or lie that only the elect will be saved?



I know how this happens it is very simple.



Here is the law of faith, if you will study it out prayerfully, this is exactly how Jesus operated on the earth. � And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Gen1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.



Both of these laws are working for you whether it be for rightousness or unrightnousness. it is according to you.

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Posted : 21 Jan, 2011 12:28 PM

Ok PJ,

I'm with you. However would you agree God has 'Veto' power concerning these laws? And do you think our Faith is different from God's in the sense that our Faith requires a 'Object of Faith' other than ourselves, whereas God's does not?

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Posted : 21 Jan, 2011 12:32 PM

Absolutely not!!

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Posted : 21 Jan, 2011 12:57 PM

PJ,

Don't you think such a position requires more than two words? : )

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Posted : 21 Jan, 2011 01:18 PM

Well you said don't you think and I said absolutely not, I do believe though.



Does not the law of gravity always exist and work, just as any law established by the word of God.



Lu 8:18 Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.



Why did Jesus say that, when you hear a corrupted seed long enough, it will produce a corrupted harvest in you.



Ga 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Ga 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

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Posted : 21 Jan, 2011 01:35 PM

PJ,

I think God has 'veto' power over the law of gravity, remember when the lost axe head floated?

Isn't the "Cross" Gods 'veto' power exercised personally in our lives where we should reap death for sowing sin. Yes one can say Jesus reaped death for us, however I would point out ; Jesus did not sow sin.

It also seems to me by exercising a Faith in and of ourselves rather than a Faith in and of God would make us out to be our own God?



Hopefully you can understand why I lacked in understanding your answer.

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Posted : 21 Jan, 2011 04:08 PM

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith.



Eph 2:8

For � illustrating �the exceeding riches of His grace in kindness.� Translate as in Eph_2:5, �Ye are in a saved state.�

through faith � the effect of the power of Christ�s resurrection (Eph_1:19, Eph_1:20; Phi_3:10) whereby we are �raised together� with Him (Eph_2:6; Col_2:12). Some of the oldest manuscripts read, �through your (literally, �the�) faith.� The instrument or mean of salvation on the part of the person saved; Christ alone is the meritorious agent.

and that � namely, the act of believing, or �faith.� �Of yourselves� stands in opposition to, �it is the gift of God� (Phi_1:29). �That which I have said, �through faith,� I do not wish to be understood so as if I excepted faith itself from grace� [Estius]. �God justifies the believing man, not for the worthiness of his belief, but for the worthiness of Him in whom he believes� [Hooker]. The initiation, as well as the increase, of faith, is from the Spirit of God, not only by an external proposal of the word, but by internal illumination in the soul [Pearson]. Yet �faith� cometh by the means which man must avail himself of, namely, �hearing the word of God� (Rom_10:17), and prayer (Luk_11:13), though the blessing is wholly of God (1Co_3:6, 1Co_3:7).

Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown commentary

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Posted : 22 Jan, 2011 10:32 AM

no kl that is non scriptual

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