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Posted : 26 Nov, 2010 04:54 PM

A HIDDEN MYSTERY REVEALED



Before the foundation of the world, the Father devised a great eternal plan, whereby to reveal Himself: His sheer Genius and Being. But He was all alone. [Gen 1:1] So He created this incredible plan, and decided, based upon all that would transpire, to conceal it. [Isaiah 46:9,10] He planned to create a heaven and earth, and to create beings for both. As He progressed with laying this glorious plan out in His mind, He designed many myriads of things that would occur, and then rearranged things [a mystery]. This is of course, all part of His plan, for without everything occurring; He would not be able to reveal Himself fully.



TWO CREATIONS



Here is a mystery that is easily understood from the scripture, once it is believed upon. Christ Jesus we understood was concealed/hidden in time. But why was He concealed, waiting to be manifested - right smack dab in the middle of time..?



Lucifer was an angelic being who would think that he could overthrow God; but little did he know, he was being deceived by his own mind and intellect; for he could not perceive all that would ever transpire, nor could he "SEE" [manticism] Y'shua aka Jesus concealed in time, waiting to be manifested as the Savior of the creation; demonstrating God's eternal wisdom, from before anything was.



This is the Being, Who is your God, and my God; as well as the God of all which call upon His Name(s).



He planned for the creature, Lucifer, to think that the creation was undefended and that He was this benign-of genuine intellect, peaceful Being, Who while possessing great amazing abilities, was not really fit to be King of the Universe, and so he thought - foolishly - to "go for it". It was all planned to occur. After sinned [foolishness, and through it iniquity] entered into him, he was tossed to the earth, where the battle was to involve all of mankind, throughout all of time.



Here is a mystery revealed for you. Lucifer's name was changed to Satan, which has many meanings, deceiver, destroyer, cunning one, et cetera. When he thought that the creation was undefended, he was looking at the creation of his mind, and not the real creation, which is what he learned afterwards; and now that he knows that he tricked himself, he is like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour, hoping to beat God at some point, and/or by some mistake. There were two creations, as you can "SEE" now; the one that Lucifer thought, as we think, and the actual one, that was not only defended, but had every detail in it PLANNED OUT FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE END:



"Remember the former things of old, for I am God and there is none else, I am God and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, 'My counsel shall stand, and I will do all of My pleasure!" [Isaiah 46:9,10]



Now, in respect of His dealings with His children, the Lord tells us in Malachi that He changes not: "For I am the Lord I change not!" [3:6]



Now that we understand that He changes not, let us look at how He deals with us throughout all time. Please note, that He demonstrates the same deportment in both the Old and New Testaments:



"Before I formed thee in the womb I KNEW thee, and before thou camest out of the womb, I'd sanctified thee, and ordained thee to be a prophet to the nations." [Jeremiah 1:5]

"But when it pleased God, Who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by His grace, to reveal Himself in me, I immediately conferred not with flesh and blood." [Paul; Galatians 1:15-16]



The Old Testament was about our family throughout that period, and the New is for the remaining period of time.

Together they comprise the total revelation of God, to humanity in respect of His HIDDEN will, which was not known, in the beginning, but now is either manifested, or being manifested.



THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY



Manticism is the knowledge of prophecy and discernment, as is demonstrated in our understanding that there are two types of revelation knowledge of God in the world. First, there is the "general revelation knowledge" as found in the creation, which is available to all men, so, as Paul wrote in Romans, 'man is without excuse'. The other type of revelation is SPECIAL REVELATION KNOWLEDGE, as is ONLY found written in the Word of God, because it is not available to all men. This special revelation knowledge contains the knowledge of God, as pertains to His hidden plan, and His desire to save only certain of humanity: "And they sang a new song, saying, 'Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof, for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.' " [Rev 5:9]



We are known as "the ELECT". The word ELECT is found in both testaments; four times in the Old, and 13 times in the New.



We understand by what is written that Paul suffered many things for the sake of the ELECT:



"I endure all things for the sake of the ELECT, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory." [II Tim 2:10]



"Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's ELECT and the acknowledging of truth which is after godliness;" [Titus 1:1]



"Put on therefore, as THE ELECT OF GOD, bows of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;" [Col 3:12]





We were all PREDESTINED [or chosen] from eternity, with the mystery being revealed in our being dear to God the moment we came out of our mother's wombs:



"Blessed be the God and Father of 'our' Lord Jesus Christ, Who hath blessed 'us' all spiritual blessings in the heavenly places in Christ: according as He hath chosen 'us' in Him, before the foundation of the world," [Eph. 1:34a]



"You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained that you bear fruit and that your fruit remain." [Jesus; John 15:16a]



Now, we are ready to comprehend that the word FOREKNOW, [proginosko] in the scripture I am about to set forth before you, means that God loved you before the world began, and that He shall love you eternally:



"For whom He did FOREKNOW, He did also predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover, whom He did predestinate, them He also called: and whom He called, them He also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified." [Romans 8:29,30]



FOR GOD SO LOVED THE "COSMOS"... OR CREATION



God never planned to save all of humanity. John 3:16 is the most misunderstood scripture in the world. It does not state, that God loves 'all men', any more than it states that He love all rocks or trees. He loved His creation: "cosmos" [that hidden plan].



The word "world" in the scripture is derived from two Greek words, so it can, and does, have two meanings: "cosmos" and "aeon", when reading the scripture. The word for man in the Greek is "anthropos". When God was talking about man, the word "anthropos" was used; and when God was talking about the creation, the word "cosmos" was used; but when God was talking about the age of men, He used the word "aeon", which means 'system' of men.



John 3:16 does not state that God loves any man, but is all inclusive of the whole of the creation, to include man, trees, rocks, and bees.



John 3:16, as held up at sporting events, et cetera, is not being properly apprehended. It is referring to God's hidden eternal plan, from the foundation of the world; hence, the use of past tense words, "loved', 'gave'.



"For God so LOVED His creation that He GAVE His only begotten Son [pre-planned or prepared], that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." [The key words here to remember His Sovereignty in this matter, is "SHALL NOT PERISH!"]



Now, when we understand that God never intended on saving all of humanity, we begin to apprehend why the scripture speaks of those who will be turned into the Lake of Fire. Those for whom there was no atonement.



There is no atonement for these, because God does not have to be merciful to any. He is God, and He is Judge, not the man pretending in a courtroom with a black robe tied around his neck. He, too, shall be judged. All men shall be judged, but with the ELECT receiving mercy, because it hath pleased God to be merciful, to some, whereby He might demonstrate His eternal compassion. He has not caused the human race to be poisoned, so do not blame Him; talk to Satan aka Lucifer, he was the one who duped the human race.



God will stick some into hell because it hath pleased Him to contrast His Incredible mercies, against the severity of His AWESOME Almighty Judgments: "Behold, therefore the goodness and the severity of God..!" [Romans 11:22]





DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE?



So, if I were to ask you, "ARE YOU ONE OF THE ELECT", would you know what I am talking about?



I am one of the ELECT, please allow me to explain!



We are true believers in the Living God that have existed, concealed from the creation, since before the foundation of the world.



�Come ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.� [Jesus; Matthew 25:34]



We do not believe because we �choose to believe,� but because �we were chosen to believe�; hence �the blood of righteous Abel [Matt 23:35],� who, as one of the elect, was righteous before Abraham, the Law of Moses, or the coming of the Messiah. Abel was the second of the elect, Adam was the first. Jesus did not come to make us righteous, but to fulfill that which He was sent to do, �from the foundation of the world�; hence, He is �the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world�. We were righteous from the inception of the creation, and we shall ever be righteous for eternity; although Jesus did come, in the fullness of time to complete the eternal plan, and thus when He was nearing death, said �It is finished!� And thus, God the Father was enabled to have a relationship with all of His elect, from the foundation of the world, to the moment Jesus atoned for our sins, based upon the sacrificial price that Jesus would pay; and He now has a relationship with all of His elect, for eternity, based upon the atoning work that Jesus, the Messiah, did.



�For the children being not yet born, neither having done anything good or bad, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth.� [Romans 9:11]



We did not choose Him; He chose us, and ordained that we bear fruit and that that fruit remain:



�Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain.� [John 15:16]



FORE-GIVEN TAKES ON NEW MEANING



We were �fore-given,� as in before we had ever sinned, or were born. This is the great secret of the elect of God. Men have tried, in vain, to duplicate the gospel, but it has been, and shall ever be, in vain.



�I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.� [Romans 1:16]



Our election is not dependent upon anything which we shall ever do, good or bad in our lives; but because it pleased the Father to be gracious unto us, and to set His Great love upon us:



�Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost�; [Titus 3:5]



We believe in the Word of God - as it is written, and not in modern traditions - which are taught as the commandments, because the word of God brought us to life, and caused us to believe; it was sent to accomplish the certain and specific task of bringing us unto life, and it shall not ever return to the Father void.



�He chose to give birth to us by giving us his true word. And we, out of all creation, became his prized possession.� [James 1:18: NLT]



�So shall My word be that goes out from My mouth; it shall not return to Me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.� [Isaiah 55:9]



OUR FAMILY IS MENTIONED IN BOTH TESTAMENTS



In the Old Testament we are referred to, by the designation of �elect,� a total of four times, and in the New Testament we are referred to a total of 13 times; for a combined total of 17 times in both testaments.



The infrequent mention in the scriptures of the title [CHRISTIAN] that has gripped one of the largest religions in the world ought to be examined more closely; especially since this religion has over 32,000 denominations in it, while the word of God states, "FOR GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION! [II Cor. 14:33]".



The term "Christian," which was first used as a derogatory term, was modeled after such words as "Herodian" and "Caesarian," which were already in circulation, on the mistaken assumption that the title "Christ," a Greek translation of the Hebrew "Messiah," was a proper name like "Herod" and "Caesar."



Jesus, Himself, NEVER referred to "the elect", as being "Christian," or "Christians!" He called us "THE ELECT!"



Jesus said - speaking of us, and not the "Christian(s)," that He knew would come as "wolves in sheep's clothing," or "hypocrites," [which means "actor" in the Greek [, said: "AND EXCEPT THOSE DAYS SHOULD BE SHORTENED, THERE SHOULD NO FLESH BE SAVED: BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THE ELECT THOSE DAYS SHALL BE SHORTENED!" & "AND HE SHALL SEND HIS ANGELS WITH THE GREAT SOUND OF A TRUMPET, AND THEY SHALL GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, FROM ONE END OF HEAVEN TO THE OTHER!"[Matthew 24:22, 31]



The words CHRISTIAN, and CHRISTIANS, are wholly NT terms, and are not found in the OT. The term "CHRISTIANS," is found only once, and the term "CHRISTIAN," is found only twice.



The term "CHRISTIANS" which is used once is found in: "AND THEY WERE FIRST CALLED CHRISTIANS AT ANTIOCH!" [Acts 11:26]; the term "CHRISTIAN" which is used twice, is found in: "ALMOST THOU PERSUADEST ME TO BE A CHRISTIAN" [Acts 26:28]; and lastly, "YET, IF ANY MAN SUFFER AS A CHRISTIAN, LET HIM NOT BE ASHAMED; BUT LET HIM GLORIFY GOD ON THIS BEHALF! [I Peter 4:16]

The word of God clearly establishes that the term Christian, as used by Peter, was meant to infer that if one of us, the elect, were to be recognized or referred to... "even as a Christian," that we should accept it as being a badge of honor on behalf of our God and faith, knowing that in confusion it was used by men that knew nothing of our faith.

Paul, the suffering servant of the Lord Jesus Christ, stated that his suffering was not for all of mankind, but for the elect:

"I ENDURE ALL THINGS FOR THE SAKE OF THE ELECT; THAT THEY ALSO SHALL OBTAIN THE SALVATION WHICH IS IN CHRIST JESUS WITH ETERNAL GLORY!" [II Tim 2:10]

"PAUL, A SERVANT OF GOD, AND AN APOSTLE OF JESUS CHRIST, ACCORDING TO THE FAITH OF GOD'S ELECT..." [Titus 1:1]



I could go on and use every scripture wherein the term �elect� is used in both testaments, but it is not necessary; this proves conclusively that salvation is not for any, but �God�s elect.�



Are you one of the elect?



Do you truly believe what is written in the word of God, or in the fables of the system of men, that has used socio-economically based religious iconic forms of governance since the Tower of Babel..?



[Perhaps you will now be able to apprehend why modern Christianity has over 32,000 - PLUS denominations in it.., while it is written in the word of God, "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints...�? [I Cor. 14:33]



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Posted : 26 Nov, 2010 05:08 PM

I would rather watch the movie,for the book you posted was tooooooooo loooooooonnnnnnnggggggggg for me to read.

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Posted : 26 Nov, 2010 07:37 PM

Hey,



Was this the one where Parry Hotter ate the "bloodstone" sausage with Sauerkraut?



I was right before...you're a couple of "beers" shy of a Sixpack!

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Posted : 27 Nov, 2010 01:06 AM

Yes, I would agree God and Satan hold paradigms that differ.

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Posted : 27 Nov, 2010 06:26 AM

The fact that you have stated that you think that a movie can afford more entertainment, and knowledge, than the things pertaining to the Creation, and life, or an investment in time, only proves that while your having chosen Archimedes' name may have been an easy thing to do, you have not yet learned the discipline and patience necessary to discern the mathematics from the Divine Proportion of the Golden Ratio contained in the sacred geometry of the creation, and even more importantly the Sacred Scriptures, "which are able to make thee wise unto salvation".



The people of the earth have been dumbed down, Archie [I hope you do not mind my calling you "Archie"] by the illuminists in every age, who have sought to control the knowledge of God in the creation, so as to convert it into capital.



Men like Archimedes of Syracuse, that are known as polymaths, were men who said nothing to anyone for hours on end, as they focused intently on the unique geometrical shapes contained in the sunflower, the Nautilus seashell, and the circle of the passing sun, moon, or even his fellow man's eyes (the roundness of the pupil)..



It was this ability to sit and say nothing that led to his creations, that evolved out of that investment of time in the secrets of the universe..



May the Lord employ you to invest time more fruitfully..



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Posted : 27 Nov, 2010 07:42 AM

This post does contain truth, in that scripture is truth, but what you have proclaimed as truth is in total error, and I was very gentle in saying so, it is impossible to be in fellowship with the word (the lord) and make such statements.

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Posted : 27 Nov, 2010 08:00 AM

YES, I am really saved!:applause:





Play nice, Boys!:boxing:



God Bless,

Deborah

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Posted : 27 Nov, 2010 05:09 PM

"The Golden Ratio"



a subject dear to My Heart.



PC, we could have some interesting discussions if you weren't part of "The Borg Continuum". Or "out of your Gorge".

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Posted : 28 Nov, 2010 02:49 AM

Are you really saved? Well according to Arch's church you cannot be saved outside the Roman Catholic Church, I don't understand why he just doesn't come out and say it, instead of insulting you?

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Posted : 29 Nov, 2010 08:51 AM

YES !!! Praise GOD...for I am SAVED... :yay:...xo

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