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Posted : 25 Nov, 2010 11:40 AM

How can a new testament Doctrine pass away. or can it?

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Posted : 25 Nov, 2010 12:54 PM

Okay, I know this is a trick answer;

(Preface : By using the term 'pass away' does not infer it is gone or untrue only that its time has passed)

*The covenant of Adam passed with the covenant of Noah

*The covenant of Noah passed with the covenant of Abraham

*The covenant of Abraham passed with the covenant of Moses (O.T.)

*The covenant of Moses (O.T.) passed with the covenant of Jesus (N.T.)

*The covenant of Jesus (N.T.) will pass at the end of this age when "all things are made new"

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Posted : 25 Nov, 2010 03:59 PM

No it is not a trick question, it is a simple question but very profound.

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Posted : 25 Nov, 2010 04:12 PM

PJ,



Truth is Truth! It does not change. Doctrine is a Truth...it cannot change. Now covenants...practices...disciplines can be changed or ended, but Doctrine is Truth and Truth does not change.

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Posted : 25 Nov, 2010 06:51 PM

What did you mean by saying practices could be ended

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Posted : 25 Nov, 2010 07:31 PM

The practice of genuflecting



in front of the altar. Of Crossing yourself as a sign of Faith. The practice of whatever can be stopped...changed...or a new one started.



The Discipline of being Celibate...of no meat on Friday or any Discipline can be changed or stopped, but Doctrine is Unchangeable...Immutable.

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Posted : 25 Nov, 2010 07:54 PM

@PJ:



PJ,here we go again,

You post something without being specific.

This is why people are frustrated with what you post.



Which doctrine or doctrines are you talking about.



St.George



ps;

By posting the questions instead of leaving thin air on line,people might understand what you believe and are talking about.

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Posted : 26 Nov, 2010 12:11 AM

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1Tim chapter 4 could not be any clearer when it says forbiding people to marry is a "doctrine of demons".

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Posted : 26 Nov, 2010 07:53 AM

Chuck,



1 Tim Ch 4?



I suppose that you are implying that the Catholic Church's Discipline of Her Priests being Celibate is a "Doctrine of Demons"?



The Church forbids no one from marrying. If a man wants to marry, he can, but if he wants to be a Priest -- he can't (for he must take a Vow of Celibacy). And this is not a Doctrine! It is a Discipline.

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Posted : 27 Nov, 2010 01:28 AM

All I said is : that isn't what 1 Tim chapter 4 calls it, but I suppose you can call it whatever you want, I'll stick with scripture!

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Posted : 27 Nov, 2010 05:09 AM

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1Tim chapter 4 could not be any clearer when it says forbiding people to marry is a "doctrine of demons".



Yeah Chuck, it could not be any clearer. Here�s just a few of the OVER 70 Translations of this verse that God told these Individual�s to Translate. (Your definition of church)

Makes you wonder if this is what God wants?

70 different Bibles (translated by 70 different people(s))





1 Timothy 4 (New International Version, �2010)

1 Timothy 4 1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things

�taught by demons.�



1 Timothy 4 (King James Version)

1 Timothy 4

1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and

�doctrines of devils;�



1 Timothy 4 (Wycliffe New Testament)

1 Timothy 4

1 But the Spirit saith openly, that in the last times some men shall depart from the faith [Forsooth the Spirit saith openly, for in the last times some shall depart from the faith], giving attention to spirits of error, and to

� teachings of devils;�



1 Timotheus 4 (Luther Bibel 1545)

1 Timotheus 4

1Der Geist aber sagt deutlich, da� in den letzten Zeiten werden etliche von dem Glauben abtreten und anhangen den verf�hrerischen Geistern und

"Lehren der Teufel" (Apprenticeships of the devils)



Which would you say is the �Correct� Translation (told to you by God)?



Boy, we�ve really gotten off track�haven�t we? Hmmm�I wonder why?



�One Voice�One Prayer!�

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