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Posted : 2 Nov, 2010 04:20 PM
More On the Dispensationalist Separation of the Church and Israel
What the stealth
dispensationalist wants to do is to push the dialogue - the dialectic,
or diaprax in the language of Dean Gotcher - toward the classical
dispensationalist claim that God has two very different peoples, the
Jews, who are still his chosen, and the capital C "Church."
Charles C. Ryrie (born 1925), a classical dispensationalist, says the
"basic promise of Dispensationalism is two purposes of God expressed
in the formation of two peoples who maintain their distinction
throughout eternity." Charles C. Ryrie, Dispensationalism Today,
1966, pp.44-45.
The classical dispensationalists - John Darby, C.I. Scofield, Lewis
S. Chafer and Charles C. Ryrie - insist that "Israel" in the Old
Testament always means physical Israel, the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and
Jacob. With that interpretation of Israel, they then go on to say
that the Christian Church is not found in Old Testament prophecy.
In part their view that "Israel" must always refer to Old testament
physical Israel, both the saved and the unsaved Children of
Israel, comes out of their belief that Scripture must always be
interpreted literally.
Romans 11: 17: "And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;"
"Thou" refers to believing Gentiles. Believing Gentiles are grafted in among the Christ believing Jews. Gentiles are grafted into the good olive tree of Romans 11: 24, "For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?"
The good olive tree is Christ, and it is also Israel reborn in Christ, which is that Remnant - Romans 11: 5, of ethnic Israel who accepted Christ - including Peter, John and a few thousand others. If Gentile Christians are grafted into Israel reborn, then how can there be two very different peoples of God, the Jews and the church? To claim that we as Gentile Christians are not the chosen people, but the Jews are, creates an identity problem for Gentile believers. It also contradicts I Peter 2: 9, "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:" Peter is talking about all Christians as being the chosen generation, not just Jewish believers.
Its interesting that the William Tyndale translation of 1525 does not
translate ekklesia as church, but as congregation. He translates ekklesia as congregation in a great many verses. For example, Tyndale for Matthew 16: 18 has "And I saye also vnto the yt thou arte Peter: and apon this rocke I
wyll bylde my congregacion. And the gates of hell shall not prevayle ageynst it." The King James and most more recent translations have church.
The KJV for Acts 8: 3 says "As for Saul, he made havock of the church,
entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to
prison." Church is translated from ekklesian. Of course, Tyndale
translated ekklesian as congregation, which, for us, tends to
avoid the implication that "church" is an institution
different from Israel because of the dispensationalist
teaching that church and Israel must be different.
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Posted : 4 Nov, 2010 09:37 AM
You forgot one thing in your thread: Believing Jews and Believing Gentiles who are saved, become neither Jew or Gentile but a new creature in Christ.
2 Corinthians 5:17 �Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 �And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
There need not be debating or questioning as to who is who in Christ if we take into account the ministry of reconciliation that makes it possible for God's new Creation that is a spiritual being. Obviously, this new being will dwell in God's holy temple, {the new creatures flesh until it departs; because of the death of the flesh.}.
This new creation is not subject to fleshly ordinances such as head shaving, water baptism, Sabbath Keeping, communion, {that was once the passover feast} tithing and list goes and on.
2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
Galatians 6:15 �For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Philippians 3:3 �For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
John 4:23 �But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 �God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Ephesians 2:15 �Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 �And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 �And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 �For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 �Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 �And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 �In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 �In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
The reason so many people stumble over the above verses and continue with water baptism, holy days, ect is because they are not only ignoring the above because it doesn't fit sectarian doctrine they are stumbling over the stumbling stone.
1 Peter 2:6 �Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7 �Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
8 �And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
9 �But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
The reason God's people who hear and obey all of God's word do not stumble and do not observe fleshly ordinances and for this reason they are called a peculiar people for indeed people think them odd {peculiar} because they do not follow after the traditions and sectarian doctrines of men.
Colossians 2:8 �Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Galatians 4:9 �But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 �Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
11 �I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
Luke 16:15 �And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
Matthew 15:8 �This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 �But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
It is all so perfectly clear and a burden lifted when we are in the light as the Lord is in the light and we do not stumble at the stumbling stone-Christ and indeed those who honor Christ and his word as given are a peculiar people and told by the world how wrong we are.
One mistake many make is attempting to label God's elect such as spiritual Israel, saved Jews, Gentiles, just to name a few, when reality we should see it the way God sees us as found Eph. 2: 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
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Posted : 4 Nov, 2010 02:21 PM
Nice post Halfback�I find your posts interesting and informative�dont agree with all of it...
GaryLanes reply is quite good�I only Agree with one part of this statement broken down for Yall�
� This new creation is not subject to fleshly ordinances such as head shaving,
*** Totally Agree�an Thank Goodness�cuz I don�t wanna be a Bald Headed Lady�:winksmile:
� Water baptism, �
*** Totally Disagree based on one simple verse Jesus* himself Spoke in answer to a question Nicodemus asked of him�
KJV John 3: 5~ Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of ((( water ))) and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Ifin the LORD Jesus* said so�Ima say so also�:excited:...
� Sabbath Keeping, �
*** Totally Disagree� 4th Commandment ~ Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Do people still picking an choosing what Commanments there gonna abide by ??? Geewezzz�There is only 10 not 800 + Laws that Christ Jesus* relinquished us all from. Plain an Simple�Sabbath means Rest. GOD rested on the 7th day. There is a Reason to Rest. Sleep, Reflect, Fellowship, Worship, Praise GOD/Jesus*�besides�ifin ya don�t rest�yer gona run outa Steam an Energy. What good are ya ta do GOD/Jesus* Will ifin ya don�t Rest�:bouncy:...
� Communion, {that was once the passover feast} �
*** The Passover Feast is not Communion, they are not the same thing�Although many Judaeo Christians do Celebrate both. Communion was Initiated an Spoken by Jesus* the CHRIST His self�
Luke 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: ((( this do in rememberance of me )))
1 Corinthians 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: ((( this do in remembrance of me. )))
1 Corinthians 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: ((( this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. )))
Luke 24:35 And they told what things were done in ((( THE WAY ))) and how he was known of them in ((( BREAKING OF BREAD )))
Mark 14:22~ And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and break it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.
Mark 14:23~ And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.
Acts 2:42 they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in ((( breaking of bread, ))) and in prayers.
Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and ((( breaking bread ))) from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
� Tithing and list goes and on. �
*** Well here is a list of Scripture pertaining to Tithing from Genesis thru Luke...
Genesis 14:20
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
Leviticus 27:30 ~ And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD.
Malachi 3:10 ~ Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Matthew 23:23~Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Luke 11:42~ But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Luke 18:12~I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. { Obviously Tithing was a Common thing to do and continued }�
Ya know Folks�Jesus* paid the Ultimate Price for us all�His LIFE an BLOOD�For OUR Sins an Dis-Obediance in His Will an Ways. IMHO�The very lest a person could do is give unto GOD/Jesus* what he has asked of us to give�A measly 10% offering�whether it be $$$, Goods, Time, Skill, Knowledge�To say it is NOT To Be Done anymore is so Backwards of Christ Jesus* Teachings an Ways�Yall have a Blessed Evening an Tomarrow�Love ya All�xo
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Posted : 4 Nov, 2010 02:30 PM
What Gary wrote doesn't sound like he follows dispensationalism.
Gary, how did you avoid being influenced by dispensationalism? or, have you come out of it, once believing much of its teachings?
I went to a Southern Baptist church in Texas for a while when I was a teenager. But I do not remember them teaching either the pre-tribulation rapture of the church, or the radical separation of Jews and church.
When I became a Christian in later years I was first under the influence of Francis Schaeffer, who was a Reformed writer of books. He was not a dispensatrionalist, though he did not criticize it, and apparently at the time - in the early eighties - the theology of dispensationalism did not appear to be the issue it is today, now that we are closer to the Tribulation. Schaeffer simply taught what he believed which did not include the doctrines of the dispensationalists.
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Posted : 6 Nov, 2010 09:44 AM
A reply to halfback
Halfback, thanks for the excellent question about dispensations. I do realize most denominations either do not recognize them or discuss them because dispensations blow a large hole in their mixing of physical ordinances with grace.
Who would be more qualified to clear up this question then the Apostle Paul who was given direct revelation from Christ? Galatians 1:11-12
Colossians 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
I have to side with Paul that in order to give all of God's word I can clearly see we are in a dispensation of Grace and that we are justified freely by Christ without the deeds of the law. That in this present dispensation a believer is neither a Jew nor a Gentile but a new creation in Christ.
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Please notice old things are passed away {verse 17} and all things are become new. If the word new doesn't shout out dispensation, I don't know what would.
Here are the definitions for the word new: 1. Not of long duration; having just (or relatively recently) come into being or been made or acquired or discovered.
2. Original and of a kind not seen before.
3. Lacking training or experience.
4. Having no previous example, precedent or parallel.
5. Unfamiliar.
Without question the above definitions describe a dispensation.
Sectarian doctrine of course doesn't want to admit to a new dispensation for it would destroy their works doctrines of water baptism, Sabbath keeping, Tithing and Communion. They would rather mix parts of Judaism in with Grace.
Halfback you stated, "I went to a Southern Baptist church in Texas for a while when I was a teenager. But I do not remember them teaching either the pre-tribulation rapture of the church, or the radical separation of Jews and church."
I believe my explanation of sectarians not wanting to involve themselves with dispensational doctrine would expose them for not giving all of God's word. I remember once I asked a Baptist preacher why his church taught water baptism. His answer was, "that is what we believe" It had nothing to do with God's word other than that is what they believe. Of course anyone is free to believe what they want but if it is not according to God's word, than one day they will stand alone before the Lord and give an account for their faithfulness, or unfaithfulness to His word.
Psalms 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
There is far more scripture to justify this present dispensation of grace, but for the sake of space and time I have only given a brief reply. If you want more scriptures, I will be more than glad to furnish them.
If that doesn't answer your question, please feel free to comment, I don't get offended. Lol
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Posted : 6 Nov, 2010 09:47 AM
Water Baptism and other Fleshly Ordinances according to Scripture are not for today.
The majority of Christians today believe water baptism, an ordinance given under the law is necessary either before or after accepting Christ as their savior. It depends upon which sectarian doctrine a person embraces. The reason for the variation is because there are so many doctrines all claiming to be the right one.
One of the popular misconceptions to justify water baptism today is the account of Jesus explaining to Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews, how a man is able to enter into the kingdom of heaven.
I believe it is paramount to look at all of God's word on this subject to learn what is actually being said, rather than take it out of context. It reads as follows: John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Verse 3 states a man must be born again or he cannot see the kingdom of heaven. Nicodemus had an excellent grasp of what the Lord was explaining for he asked the Lord how can a man be born again when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb? Christ qualified it for him when He explained it in verse 5 though 8.
Christ explained a man has to be born of water, {physical birth}and be born of the spirit. At this point those who take this out of context insert water baptism and that is not even mentioned in any of this discussion between Nicodemus and the Lord!
Christ explained what He meant in verse 6. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. {Getting wet in water baptism does not give a person, the spirit of God. Neither will anyone ever find it does in scripture. I would love someone to try to prove it.} Verse 7 states: Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. Then verse 8, the Lord explains about spiritual birth. He compares it to the wind. You can see the effects but you can't the spirit as it is like the wind: unseen.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
We find more proof in 1Peter 1:23-25
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
God's word explains that being born again is done by the word of God. It can't be of a fleshly nature such as water baptism is because water is something physical, we can see it, taste, smell it, and feel it. That which is physical is explained as being like the grass and the glory of man, it withers and falls away. So would be anything physical nature to please God.
There is one verse of many verses of scripture people have to ignore in order to justify {take of context} water baptism; one of those verses is Eph. 4-5.
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Most all students of scripture know there is another baptism besides water and that is spiritual baptism. A baptism that is done by God himself and it puts us into Christ and his burial and resurrection.
Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Which will save a person; a baptism done by God that buries us with Christ and raised with Christ or should we be water baptized like Christ that is not done by God but done by a preacher, pastor, etc?
Also another part of law keeping is the Sabbath. Should we keep the Sabbath? What will it honor Christ when the Lord has said the Law was never given for us to justify ourselves but to condemn us.
Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
God says if we are justified by the law then grace is of no effect. In other words our works nullifies our faith.
Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Also the law was abolished.
Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
The above are more scriptures that are ignored or not understood in order to attempt to justify works for righteousness.
Nowhere to we find under grace to we tithe. However we do find God loves a cheerful giver; a far cry from tithing.
2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
If God expected people to still tithe, then 2nd Cor. 9:7 could not be given as that would be diametrically opposed to the ordinance of tithing under the Law. The same can be applied to water baptism, Sabbath keeping, circumcision or any other ordinance under law that one can think of. God has made it clear we are under grace and not under the law that He has abolished, taken them out of the way and nailing them to His cross.
Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Nowhere in those above ignored verses can I find even a hint of keeping the law for either good works or to justify one's self before God. Can you?
The Mosaic Law was never given for Gentiles to observe; rather it divided Jew from Gentile. Under law if a Gentile wanted to keep the law, that Gentile was required to become a Proselyte. Under Mosaic Law a converted Gentile was required to be water baptized. God's moral laws still applies to both Jew and Gentile.
Proof that the Law divided Jews from Gentiles.
Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Acts the 15th Chapter is about Gentile not being under the burden of the law such as the Jews. A must read for anyone who wants a clearer understanding of the Law applying only to Jews. The conclusion to that meeting that took place is found in Acts 15:28-29.
Acts 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Please notice not once is any of the ordinances put upon people in denominations, sects and cults that are found in verse 29 because the Gentile has never been given to Gentiles. The Mosaic Law was given to condemn not once to we find it justifies either saved or unsaved.
Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
It should be evident by now to anyone desires the truth to see from God's word that faith in Christ establishes the law with the deeds of the law. That would include all the ordinances that were fulfilled by Christ and nailed to the cross.
Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
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Posted : 7 Nov, 2010 05:50 PM
Oh my, Oh my, Oh my!
Could copy and paste 144 scriptures; but that already has been done.
The Nature of God (One) and what the Gospel accomplishes (oneness) flies in the face of dispensationlism.
Anyone who sees the big picture sees God used Israel to reach the world; God is not on" plan B" (gentiles) cause "plan A" (Israel) failed.
Poor God, I hope he eventually gets this right, he is having such a tough time. What if" plan B" fails also? Poor God; these darn humans keep messing up his plans.
IF GOD CANNOT ACCOMPLISH WHAT HE SETS OUT TO DO; THEN HE IS NOT GOD.
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Posted : 8 Nov, 2010 12:21 PM
Twosparrows, I don't see any scripture to back up your opionions about God being poor. To the contrary, God is not mocked.
I think it would broaden your knowledge if you read Romans the 11th chapter and you will find God has set aside Israel because of their unbelief until the time of the Gentile.
Now both Jew and Gentile are a new creation in Christ. The situation today is not like it was when Christ offered His Kingdom to Israel when God dealt with only Israel as His chosen people with physical ordinances and physical blessings. To we worship in spirit and truth. Nothing more.
Philippians 3:3 �For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
John 4:24 �God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
2 Corinthians 5:17 �Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 �And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
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Posted : 8 Nov, 2010 12:41 PM
Dear Gary,
I am not mocking God ; rather those who think God cannot accomplish what he sets out to do. Now is the time of the gentiles and will be until the time is fulfilled. But this is not 'plan B' Now I have a question for you:
If God did not know ahead of time the nation of Israel would reject the offered kingdom and plan to set it aside for a time until the time of the gentiles is fulfilled; then how to you explain Psalm 22 and other biblical prophecies describing this very thing to happen?
