Author	Thread: What is sin and how should we treat it?
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	What is sin and how should we treat it? Posted : 6 Oct, 2010 01:43 PM So I've been a bit curious about this lately, with all the stuff in the news and everything. Why do a lot of Christians tend to tolerate and show compassion/forgiveness for atheists, adulterers, murderers, thieves, substance abusers(drunkenness/drugs/gluttony), etc...but when it comes to people of different beliefs/religions there seems to be a lot less tolerance? Isn't it all "sin", and shouldn't we be treating everyone with the same love? I mean...if we treated everyone that sinned like some people treat Muslims(for instance)...we'd never convert anyone. We'd become a religion of intolerance just like their religion, right? They are part of the "world" and we're supposed to treat them just like everyone else, aren't we? :peace::peace: P.S. (to preempt any "pacifist" comments. I'm not saying that we should let anybody(Muslim terrorists) go around killing people, they need to be stopped...and killed if we have to. Anyone that doesn't respect such a basic right as "life" and that goes around killing other people with no regard at all should be stopped.) Post Reply
riveroflife1 View Profile History	What is sin and how should we treat it? Posted : 6 Oct, 2010 02:30 PM you are absolutely correct. We have more patience with others than with believers who believe a little differently and God is not pleased when we have harsh words with one another. We can re-direct that energy to the world and win souls with our love for one another and Christlike characteristics. It's a process though, we are all growing. Post Reply
View Profile History	What is sin and how should we treat it? Posted : 6 Oct, 2010 02:51 PM Most likely it is a difference in culture and mindset making it difficult to relate to. It is difficult for some to tolerate what they don't comprehend nor understand. For instance a muslim converted to christianity would be extremely tolerant of.other muslims. But there is no excuse for not loving, as the scripture is extremely clear on the matter! Post Reply
View Profile History	What is sin and how should we treat it? Posted : 6 Oct, 2010 04:13 PM my young friend until recently mark I had nothing against islam. Spetember 11th, 2001, changed that. I have met people who spoke what they believe. they believe all who do not convert to islam are dogs and liars.They marry young girls( 7 and 9 year olds). They can trample our rights but we can not trample on their's. They believe all unbelievers must have their heads chopped off. So, mark what do you think? offer your head?????? hmmmmmmm Not my head.Where do you think the anti-Christ comes from? he hunts jews and Christians. mark- food for thought, why does the Koran say jesus will come to damascus and say he is not the son of God??????? Do you now see something here????? just informimg you mark. Dennis Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	What is sin and how should we treat it? Posted : 6 Oct, 2010 07:45 PM I'm sorry, but I wasn't saying that Islam was a nice religion...I was saying that we are supposed to be loving toward them, even if they are killing us. There's no question that Islam has some pretty horrible beliefs, but I don't think that allows us to treat them like they don't count. How are we going to witness to them about the character of Christ if our character is unchristian? Does a murderer/thief/etc have grace available to them? Can a atheist realize their error and find faith? Can a Muslim see the perfect example of Christ and change their ways? I think they can/do, and it would sure help if we were Christ-like toward them. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	What is sin and how should we treat it? Posted : 6 Oct, 2010 08:07 PM Luke 6 27"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. 30Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31Do to others as you would have them do to you. 32"If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. 33And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do that. 34And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. 35But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. Post Reply
View Profile History	What is sin and how should we treat it? Posted : 7 Oct, 2010 05:07 AM Mark said: Can a Muslim see the perfect example of Christ and change their ways? I think they can/do, and it would sure help if we were Christ-like toward them. I agree. What I want to know is how does that look? How are we to do as you have suggested? You have someone you know is smiling and saying nice things just to get into your home so when inside they can kill you. I don't think that is what Christ like love is about. There are verse that say do not invite a false teacher into your home, and we can all agree Islam is a false teaching. We should go to them the way we are commanded, even if it cost you your life, and teach them there, not make them feel like welcome neighbors only for them to inflict their violence on us, and they will, you know this already. We have the God given right to protect our family and our country against foreseeable danger. So how are we to protect what we know they are out to destroy and still show them Christ like love? Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	What is sin and how should we treat it? Posted : 7 Oct, 2010 08:28 AM Do what Jesus did. He died to save everyone from death, but He is also going to destroy the "willing sinners" to protect the innocent. I don't think I could kill someone in self-defense, but I know I definitely could if I was protecting someone else. So I guess it's basically about motives. Why are you killing this person? It's a fine line and I don't know how you would make your motives obvious to people, but I guess it would be shown by how you treat them and how you talk about them when you aren't trying to kill them. If your own brother was going to kill your family, would you stop him? So it might be possible to love people that are trying to cause you pain? I guess it would be something like: "I would rather save them and/or die for them instead of killing them...but I must save the people they are trying to hurt and kill, and if death is the only way to stop them...then so be it." That sounds like Jesus. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	What is sin and how should we treat it? Posted : 7 Oct, 2010 09:33 AM Jesus always said things so radical for peoples ears that it was taken as insults and they either stopped following Him or tried to kill Him. That still happens today, because the truth will always contradict what someone else believes. Muslims are the enemy of God, we all agree on that, and we need not be ignorant of their ways. As a group they need to be treated as an enemy should be treated. As individuals when they have less power and act more civil we treat them with kindness and share the gospel with them. This is more about spiritual war, but that does not mean we don't take steps to protect our selves from physical attacks that we know will come if we accept them with open arms. As a whole, being enemies of the true living God I have no problem calling a spade a spade, or a Muslims the enemy. I do not have nice things to say about what they are and what they are guilty of. But if and when (it is coming) I get the chance to wittiness to a Muslim 1 on 1, I will treat him with kindness and share the good news of the gospel but when I do I will keep my hand on my sword for protection, I won't be foolish. Post Reply
View Profile History	What is sin and how should we treat it? Posted : 7 Oct, 2010 10:48 AM Hello everyone: The Topic: What is sin and how should we treat it? All sin is from unbelief,not trusting YHWHW and His Word.. How do we treat this, PROCLAIM THE GOSPEL,then let Yeshua have His way with the people. We can do nothing about sin,nor can anyone save someone else.. If we could save someone,and/or do something about sin then we would not need Yehsua at all.. Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Only Yeshua is able to be dealing with this issue.. I hope everyone has a Blessed and safe weekend.. Shalom and Chesed: St.George Post Reply
View Profile History	What is sin and how should we treat it? Posted : 7 Oct, 2010 11:34 AM I perceive sin as an entity as I also do death. Sin and death are bedfellows. Genesis tells us that sin entered the world. It has a source outside of the world but it came here. Because the door for it was opened by an act of disobedience committed by mankind it became a part of mankind's nature as well as bringing a curse upon the planet. As with all things that exist there are certain laws that govern both it's nature and it's activities. The New Testament tells us that as Christians we are free from the law of sin and death. Rom 8:2 "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. " (KJV) What do we do about it? There is little we can do about what sin and death do because they are free to coexist with us. While they may impact our lives through things we cannot control we can rest assured that they will receive their just due. Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. We can also be certain that we have within us the Spirit of God which has overcome sin and death and the world. Thunder Post Reply

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