Author	Thread: forgivness
Admin	forgivness Posted : 21 Sep, 2010 11:47 AM How many times have you said you are sorry and not really meant it? Sorry I'm late, sorry that happened, sorry you feel that way, etc... Definition of apology: a�pol�o�gy - a written or spoken expression of one's regret, remorse, or sorrow for having insulted, failed, injured, or wronged another: So if someone says they are sorry about the effects that what they did had on you, but does not regret or feel remorseful for the act it self, is that a real apology? Examples: I'm sorry that my lying & cheating on you ruined your life. But the cheating was a good thing for me and I do not regret it. Is that an apology? You are wrong, and I am sorry that my truth offends you. Is that an apology? Sorry that it offends you that I think you are stupid for doing that thing. (Not sorry for thinking you are stupid, but sorry that me thinking you are stupid offends you, cause I still think you are stupid.) Is that an apology? I am sorry God for these sins in my life, but I'm not going to stop doing the sins. Is that repentance? Repentance has been defined on this site as; a changing of the mind. (I changed my mind about what I once thought was ok, and now I do not think is ok anymore, but I still do it anyway) Is that biblical repentance? True Christians should always be quick to forgive when they are trespassed. I also believe that (true) Christians should forgive even when the offending party does not offer an apology. And even more so when two believers (Christians) trespass each other. My questions: Does a fake or an offensive apology need to be accepted from someone that is not sincere? Does God accept our fake or offensive apology if we keep on sinning after confessing the sin? Post Reply
View Profile History	forgivness Posted : 21 Sep, 2010 12:45 PM Yes No Post Reply
View Profile History	forgivness Posted : 21 Sep, 2010 01:28 PM Excellant Post MrRow...this very subject was the Focus of last Sundays sermon at the Church I attend...Thanxs for shareing this...xo P.S. I believe PJ is Deyslexic...:ribbit:... Post Reply
View Profile History	forgivness Posted : 21 Sep, 2010 02:03 PM If that is what you believe Mr.Row you are in sin, hopefully you know the way out. Post Reply
View Profile History	forgivness Posted : 21 Sep, 2010 02:38 PM When we talk about forgiveness aren't we not to point fingers? Forgiveness is ending the matter. Mr. row's forgivness is between him and God.It is not anybody elses place to play God. Dennis Post Reply
View Profile History	forgivness Posted : 21 Sep, 2010 03:32 PM What is your point Dennis? Post Reply
View Profile History	forgivness Posted : 21 Sep, 2010 04:06 PM Here's a little something I found about forgiveness: Forgiveness is the giving up of resentment or claim to requital on account of an offense, which means you're no longer affected by the person's presence or angry at the person, and you're at peace with the person in your own spirit and mind. The offense may be a deprivation of a person's property, rights, or honor, or it may be a violation of moral law. Forgiveness is conditioned on repentance and the willingness to make reparation, or atonement, and the effect of forgiveness is the restoration of both parties to the former state of relationship. The ground of forgiveness by God of man's sins is the atoning death of Christ. To answer your questions, making an apology to a person, is not the same as repenting for doing something wrong. No one has to accept your apology, nor does anyone have to accept your repentance. But God requires that we always forgive a person for thier sins against us, if we want Him to forgive us of our sins against Him. Forgiveness is soemthing you do for your own benefit and healthcare, not the other person. As Jesus says if a person comes and ask you to forgive him/her for their worng against you 70 times seventy, you are to forgive. And If the person doesn't come ask you to forgive him/her for their worng, you are still suppose to forgive, becasue it is for your own spiritual health and growth. So it doesn't matter if the person comes and apologizes or repents to you for a wrong, you are still required to forgive, if you desire that God forgives you of your sins. If its fake or not sincere that's not your worry, and should be left to God to figure out. If a person does not come and apologzies, or repnets, you are again still to leave it to God, and forgive. That's not your concern if they repeat the offense, or if its real or a fake. You still forgive...:peace: Luke chapter 17:3-4 (repents, then repeats the offence, forgive 7 x70 x a day) ella Post Reply
View Profile History	forgivness Posted : 21 Sep, 2010 04:41 PM I agree ET and some of it I think I needed to hear. Thanks! But you said: ...which means you're no longer affected by the person's presence... Really? Because I am uncomfortable being around people that have sinned against me, I would just as soon not be around them. That is probably a sign that I haven't really or totally forgiven, huh? Rewriting the sentence above as to not give out personal details has me looking at my own words differently...hmmm? Some humility time on my knees tonight! Post Reply
riveroflife1 View Profile History	forgivness Posted : 21 Sep, 2010 08:43 PM I dont think we should wait until someone asks for forgiveness to forgive them. It's our loss if we do that. That person may never ask for forgiveness be it genuine or not. We need to release them without expecting anything in return as soon as possible. as far as our apologies to God...He knows our heart and honestly, the apologies are for us, not Him. We've already been forgiven. Post Reply
View Profile History	forgivness Posted : 21 Sep, 2010 10:28 PM yeap, Row, its a sign that you have not totally forgiven. And when you pray, pray that God forgives you for not fully forgiving others of their wrongs against you, and DON'T FORGET YOUR wrongs against them and others. :glow::applause: Post Reply
View Profile History	forgivness Posted : 22 Sep, 2010 04:59 AM @ET: I'm curious about the statement "you're no longer affected by the person's presence" if you forgive. Isn't it still possible to forgive and not want to be around someone?...for instance victims of crimes/abuse/stalkers. They may forgive the person but still feel fear. What do you think? Post Reply

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