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Posted : 5 Sep, 2010 11:45 AM

Only the Overcomers

This theme of enduring to the end, and overcoming to the end, is repeated

throughout the Scriptures � especially in the New Testament.

Jesus Christ gave many instructions for Christian living in the Sermon on the

Mount (Matt.5-7). Among many other things, He declared, �But I say to you, Love your

enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be children of your

Father in heaven� (Matt.5:44). He went on, �Be [or become] perfect, therefore, as your

heavenly Father is perfect� (verse 48).

Perfection, is a process. It is a state that must be gained, or acquired,

through diligent constant effort and �overcoming� one�s own selfish nature, selfish

interests, influences of other people, including false ministers and teachers, and

constantly striving to perfect oneself before God by following His every Word and living

by every one of His commandments!, {And it can only be done with the help of Gods holy Spirit}

Jesus Christ, the Saviour, explained, when He defeated the devil after being

tempted for forty days, �It is written, One does not live by bread alone, but by every word

that comes from the mouth of God� (Matt.4:4).

What must one do to be saved � to gain salvation? Jesus Christ, whose name in

Hebrew is Yeshua, declared, �REPENT, for the kingdom of heaven has come near�

(Matt.4:17). The word �repent� means, by its very definition, to stop living the wrong

way, in indifference and disobedience to the Word of God, and to begin living your life,

as Christ Himself said, �BY EVERY WORD that comes from the mouth of GOD�!

In other words, one must not only �believe� in Christ, as all the ministers tell you

� but one must also REPENT OF SIN! And what is �sin�? The apostle John defines it

for us: He wrote, �Everyone who commits sin is guilty of lawlessness; SIN IS

LAWLESSNESS� (I John 3:4). Or as the Amplified Parallel Bible has it: �Everyone

who commits (practices) sin is guilty of lawlessness; for [that is what] sin is, lawlessness

(the breaking, violating of God�s law by transgression or neglect � being unrestrained and

unregulated by His commands and His will)� (I John 3:4).

What Is �SIN�? Remember 1 JOHN 3:4,

To be saved, we must repent of SIN � and SIN is �breaking God�s law� �

�violating God�s law� � failure to live by and keep God�s commandments, which are

found in the Bible, the Word of God! These, of course, include but are not limited to the

Ten Commandments, the law to love God, to love one�s neighbor, and when we finally

boil it down to the essence � God commands us to live by His every Word found in the

Scriptures of truth � the Bible!

Unless we strive faithfully to do that, for the rest of our lives, and �endure to the

END,� we cannot be saved, but would lose out on salvation!

God made this crystal clear to the prophet Ezekiel. He said to the prophet, �But if

the wicked man turns from all his sins that he has committed and keeps all My statutes

and does that which is LAWFUL and right, he shall surely LIVE [gain salvation]; he

shall not die� (Ezek.18:21).

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Posted : 6 Sep, 2010 11:40 AM

The Hebrew word for the English word "Repent":



H5162

נחם

nâcham

naw-kham'

A primitive root; properly to sigh, that is, breathe strongly; by implication to be sorry, that is, (in a favorable sense) to pity, console or (reflexively) rue; or (unfavorably) to avenge (oneself): - comfort (self), ease [one�s self], repent (-er, -ing, self).





The Greek word,for the English word 'Repent" :



G3340

μετανοέω

metanoeō

Thayer Definition:

1) to change one�s mind, i.e. to repent

2) to change one�s mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one�s past sins

Part of Speech: verb

A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: from G3326 and G3539

Citing in TDNT: 4:975, 636



Agape' and Charis:

St.George



ps:

When giving a word or scripture,please give the references,

not just what men are telling you or others.



What sin did YHWH need to repent/turn from in His dealings with Israel?

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Posted : 6 Sep, 2010 12:10 PM

George the reference is the lord Jesus and he need not be explained, his concern is that Believe him and walk in agreement with him according to his word, for he will not impose his will upon no one, he is looking for those that believe his word.

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Posted : 6 Sep, 2010 12:10 PM

George the reference is the lord Jesus and he need not be explained, his concern is that Believe him and walk in agreement with him according to his word, for he will not impose his will upon no one, he is looking for those that believe his word.

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Posted : 6 Sep, 2010 03:31 PM

Mr Trucker, We don't seem to be on the same wavelength when it comes to scriptures,Brother I have no problem explaining what I have said in a post but you seem to be confusing the issue and I don't know how to answer you,No disrespect intended but please make your questions clear!

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Posted : 6 Sep, 2010 06:45 PM

wow your off track firstfruit the word Repent English Words used in KJV:

repent 34

[Total Count: 34]



from (meta) and (noieo); to think differently or afterwards, i.e. reconsider (moral feel compunction) :- repent.

�Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary and to try to be perfect thats obviously works added to salvation Gods love is unconditional as his salvation is unconditional they go hand in hand

John 10:26-28 (King James Version)



26But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.



27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:



28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. No where in scripture does it say he used to no his sheep! no unpunished sin will enter to heaven so no one is sinless perfect so if you sin have a imoral thought or get prideful according to what you believe all ur enduring aint going to work cause no one is sinless.you can try to endure that aint gonna work . Philippians 1:6 (King James Version)



6Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: He does it not endurance



Hebrews 13:5 (King James Version)



5Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. so if you believe in loss of salvation this scripture is a lie He says he will never leave thee nor forsake thee

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Posted : 6 Sep, 2010 11:48 PM

@ firstfruits:

I have pasted the last part of your posting;

Could you please tell me why Yeshua/Jesus had to die.

IF we are able to obey the whole word of GOD,then Messiah would not have had to die!



What Is �SIN�? Remember 1 JOHN 3:4,

To be saved, we must repent of SIN � and SIN is �breaking God�s law� �

�violating God�s law� � failure to live by and keep God�s commandments, which arefound in the Bible, the Word of God!

These, of course, include but are not limited to theTen Commandments, the law to love God, to love one�s neighbor, and when we finally boil it down to the essence � God commands us to live by His every Word found in the scriptures of truth � the Bible!

Unless we strive faithfully to do that, for the rest of our lives, and �endure to the END,� we cannot be saved, but would lose out on salvation!

God made this crystal clear to the prophet Ezekiel.

He said to the prophet, �But ifthe wicked man turns from all his sins that he has committed and keeps all My statutes and does that which is LAWFUL and right, he shall surely LIVE [gain salvation]; he shall not die� (Ezek.18:21).





According to what you have written,you believe that Gods free gift of Salvation is the result of your repenting of sin.



There are others on this site that have stated the same thing.

That is not a free gift given by YHWH,based upon the life,death and ressurection of Yeshua.

Instead your Salvation is the results of you repenting,this is works salvation,not faith in Yeshua,and His finished work upon the cross.

Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

John19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.



This is what Yeshua says about eternal life.



John 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Eternal life is given as a gift,never to be earned, nor given as a payment for services rendered.



firstfruits,i would implore you to see who or what you are trusting to save you from the judgement of God.



Either you are trusting in your repenting,and trying to keep the commandments of YHWH.

Or are you trusting Yehsua,that He fulfilled all of the law and the prophets.

He is the Good Shepherd who is responsible for the protection and provision of His sheep.



His death was and is the only acceptable sacrifice for the forgiving and removing of ones sin(s).



One is works,the other is Faith.

Which do you have?



Agape' and Charis:

St.George

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Posted : 6 Sep, 2010 11:57 PM

@ Hamilton:



Touche young man,Touche.



Works or faith;

No man can serve two masters.



I either repent to be saved,thus Salvation then is payment by GOD for my repentance (Is this not also Catholic Penance)



Or do I completely trust Yeshua,his death,burial and ressurection are sufficient payment for all eternity for my sin(s).

Do I also trust Yeshua to protect me from the Wrath of GOD.



Young man,I encourage you to tell others the Good News.



Agape' and Charis:

St.George



ps;Don't be concerned about what others might say,you continue speaking the truth in love.

Let the Holy Spirit continue to reveal Yeshua to you.

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Posted : 7 Sep, 2010 04:04 PM

George first one must learn the Good news Keep studying and you will get there.

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Posted : 7 Sep, 2010 04:30 PM

Nice post FirstFruit until I got to this part�

1st ~ � Ten Commandments, the law to love God, to love one�s neighbor, and when we finally boil it down to the essence � God commands us to live by His every Word found in the Scriptures of truth � the Bible! Unless we strive faithfully to do that, for the rest of our lives, and �endure to the END,�

Jude replies ~ I Strongly agree that we must Persevere in Righteousness an Self Restraint and Improvement...Dyeing to the Flesh and Continuing our Relationship with GOD/Jesus/Holy Spirit obeying all Commandments and when we fail�Repent, Confess and Move forward and not do it again until the day we Die...

2nd ~ � we cannot be saved, but would lose out on salvation!

Jude Replies ~ I strongly Disagree with this... Anyone that Accepts the GIFT, ( SALVATION ) Confesses and Believes JESUS as LORD, That He died for Our Sins, Was buried, And HAS Risen shall be SAVED...and ALL will be JUDGED according to Him...this is Salvation you can not lose�It is a Promise for HIS word does not return Null and Void�

GOD always FORGIVES�Jesus/Yeshua paid the Ultimate and Final Price for ALL OUR SINS...PAST / PRESANT / FUTURE...That�s right�everything You ever Did�Everything You are Doing right now and Everything You are going to Do�Right, Wrong or Indifferent�

HE is the Final ATTONEMENT...the Link between GOD and US...the Sacrificial LAMB...For NOTHING we can ever DO is Worthy as payment for Our Sins...You don't repay a GIFT...You Accept it Graciously or Refuse it...its that Simple...A Person can only Lose the Salvation by Not accepting it or turning/falling away�It�s a Choice�PERIOD�

I am not a Hebrew / Israel / Jew�I am a Gentile grafted into the Israel People GOD has chosen�There is only ONE that is Perfect�that ONE is JESUS*�.Praise and Glory to most High�.

P.S. I�m sorry to have Puked here�but I�m not going to sit by and let some people Preach to the Choir in Error�xo

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Posted : 8 Sep, 2010 12:42 PM

@ PJ:



You are too funny,you should be a comedian..hahahahahaha

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