Thank you, May I say beautiful Sister,I was just reinforcing what I had posted earlier about birth,begotten and can a Christian loose his salvation,Just bringing forth points that might not have been covered before in others earlier post on the subject.Thanks for your response!
so if you was the missing ingredient why was it left out God said his word would be preserved and that all things would come to pass works or you cannot be mixed into the equation for salvation if you look at salvation in the Bible it is present tense something you have now Romans 5: 8-10 its present and past tense its been finished if your saved by grace through faith Ephesians 2: 8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
oh for the Matt 24: 12-13 ur taking it out of context thats not teaching anything about salvation.
t's referring to the Christians. The love of many will grow cold--many Christians will fall away from their love of the Lord, but the one who endures--that's the Christians who are strong, holding on to the Lord, despite the lawlessness of the age--those Christians will be delivered (raptured to be delivered from the great tribulation? or delivered from persecution? definitely not Hell because He was speaking to Christians--saved ones).
you was mainly talking about us the person enduring to the end you was using passages to support loosing salvation saying those enduring to the very end get salvation
19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. John indicates here that leaving Christ indicates that one had never been born of God.
Can those born of God live a lifestyle of sin?
1 John 3:6 (King James Version)
6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
According to the second part of this verse, no one who lives a lifestyle of sin had ever been a "real" Christian. He had never known Christ. He had never been born of God. Furthermore, according to the first part of this verse, of those who do "live in him" (are born of God - are real Christians) not one of them lives a lifestyle of sin. Why is that? John explains a few verses later in 1John 3:9 1 John 3:9 (King James Version)
9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Parable of sower
Luke 8:13 (King James Version)
13They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. Their belief did not have savific merit from the start. Not just any quality of faith is acceptable to God. These were nominal Christians who had not yet been saved.
Meno passages Passages using the Greek word "meno" are often misinterpreted due to misunderstanding the translation of this word. The word "meno" means simply "to live, to abide, to dwell". A command such "abide in me" is often misunderstood to mean "continue to remain in me just as you have been" when it may simply mean "Live in me starting now and continuing on indefinitely." The issue here is whether a person who has been "living" in Christ can stop living in Christ and live a lifestyle of sin and lose his salvation. John says NO!
1 John 3:6 (King James Version)
6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
This is the same old Armenian position that I don't find compelling at all, because it posits that Man, not God, has the final deciding vote. In other words, Man has the power to lose salvation Man has MORE power than God.
Again, the whole problem with Armenianism is it necessitates a weak and ignorant God -- a God that could not know in advance that some he justified would leave him. Or perhaps, this requires that justification be something not personal, but abstract, so it applies to everyone in some nonpersonal sort of way. And salvation -- well, it depends upon you and you alone. You'd better watch out, because if some magical, unknown, mysterious line is crossed, you will lose your salvation. I've gone round and round with Armenians and they can never give me an answer as to when exactly my salvation is lost.
All this boils down to is a God who cannot be trusted, or in other words, a God that can only love you if you do certain things or behave in a certain way. Love, therefore, is not unconditional -- love is conditional. Grace is conditional. Mercy is conditional. Everything that God gives to us is therefore dependent on us, because in the end, we have more power than God.
How could God be so ignorant as to not know what I would do in advance? How could he NOT know me that well? He made and shaped me! How could I somehow frustrate His plans? Armenianism is basically man-worship instead of God-worship.
I see the same argument here that is so common,Does God force humans to obey Him or does He allow us to choose?
Deut.30:15-19,See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. {16} For I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess.
{17} But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, {18} I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed. You will not live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess.
{19} This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live
Good cannot exhist without the possability of evil,Righteous Holy Character,The ability to face temptation and reject it,The ability to select good even when evil may seem so appealing,Otherwise mankind would be like pre-programed robots.But we are free moral agents.Example in the Garden Of Eden why didn't God step in and stop Eve from eating the forbidden fruit?
