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loose your salvation true or untrue?
Posted : 16 Aug, 2010 02:04 PM

or better known terms fall from grace true or untrue?

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loose your salvation true or untrue?
Posted : 17 Aug, 2010 02:33 AM

UNTRUE!!

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loose your salvation true or untrue?
Posted : 17 Aug, 2010 04:28 AM

you couldnt if you even wanted to!

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loose your salvation true or untrue?
Posted : 17 Aug, 2010 08:04 AM

and even IF you would FALL.....



Absolutely nobody falls deeper than in G_d�s hands.

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loose your salvation true or untrue?
Posted : 17 Aug, 2010 10:16 AM

I think it is possible to loose your faith...in others loose your salvation. I don't thnk you can do it by sins that you commit unless perhaps it is speaking against the Holy Spirit. However I do think that if someone accepts salvation that if they turn away from God that they can in turn loose their salvation. God himself says it is better that a man knew him not than to have known Him and then turned away.

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Posted : 17 Aug, 2010 10:45 AM

Here is the clear proof from the Word of God that the doctrine - "Once saved allways saved" is obviously not biblical and false. DON'T BE DECEIVED AND DON'T DECEIVE OTHERS .



~~~HEBREWS 6:4-6~~~

" For it is IMPOSSIBLE for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, IF THEY FALL AWAY, TO RENEW THEM AGAIN TO REPENTANCE, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. "



~~~MATTHEW 24:13~~~

" But he who ENDURES TO THE END shall be saved. "



~~~ROMANS 11:19-22~~~

" You will say then, �Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.� Well said. BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF THEY WERE BROKEN OFF, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, HE MAY NOT SPARE YOU EITHER. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who FELL, severity; but toward you, goodness, IF YOU CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS. OTHERWISE YOU ALSO WILL BE CUT OFF. "



~~~REVELATION 3:5~~~

" HE WHO OVERCOMES shall be clothed in white garments, and I will NOT BLOT OUT his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. "



~~~REVELATION 3:16~~~

" So then because thou art LUKEWARM, and neither cold nor hot, I will SPUE thee out of my mouth. "



~~~1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10~~~

" Do you not know that the UNRIGHTEOUS WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. "



( Notice, this is what is written to CHRISTIANS, TO PEOPLE WHO ALREADY BELIEVE IN CHRIST JESUS )



~~~MATTHEW 7:21-23~~~

�Not everyone who says to Me, �Lord, Lord,� shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, �Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?� And then I will declare to them, �I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!�

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Posted : 17 Aug, 2010 10:48 AM

HEBREWS 10:26 - 29

" For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there NO LONGER REMAINS a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Anyone who has rejected Moses� law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? "





1 CORINTHIANS 15:1 - 2

" Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, IF you hold fast that word which I preached to you�UNLES YOU BELIEVED IN VAIN."



GALATIANS 6:7 - 8

" Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart. "





" You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked. " (2 Pet. 3:17)



"This Scripture alone disproves the fallacy of eternal security completely! Who else could Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, IF you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. Rom. 11:22 "





" I am the true vine, and My Father is the vine-dresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. " Jn. 15:1-6



" For we have become partakers of Christ IF we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end. (Heb. 3:14) "



"The Bible declares,"we are workers together with God so that we do NOT receive His Grace in vain! Eternal Security is a MYTH and YOU must endure to the end to be Saved" (Matt. 10:22). "



IF YOU WERE A FAITHFUL CHRISTIAN AND CAME BACK TO YOUR SINFUL LIFESTYLE THEN YOU'RE NOT SAVED! REPENT,TILL IT'S NOT TOO LATE !

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Posted : 17 Aug, 2010 11:39 AM

Christians are not slaves of their salvation.... meaning that the salvation (or possible lack thereof) hangs as a curse over their head day and night



Nobody IS saved. Christians who have accepted that they are nothing but sinners and also confess that Jesus� precious blood only can save them (and not any of their good works), are BEING SAVED.



Being saved means a process. G_d will shape and mold us into the person that we were supposed to be, if we would not love and adore to stay in the flesh so much.



Once having accepted Jesus by faith, there is no way that our sins will become an issue.



In fact, the Holy Ghost will guide, teach and chastise us to make us see the ways of the LORD.



We are never punished for our sins as G_d Himself has taken care of the problem of the sins.... we are guided to see the Truth and once we see this Truth, we are so happy to follow that path. It is not only a blessing for ourselves but also to others.



Of course, if we decide to deny and contest that Jesus has been crucified for our heavy and deep sins... we are more in the dark than any other sinner, be it skeptic, atheist or slanderer



But I have never met a christian who would deny this so crucial and yet so wonderful gift of G_d.



I know a lot of christians who have so much pain and trouble with their own sins. As much as they try to be better, they simply fail. For those christians, G-d is forgiving and loving. Their salvation is not at stake. FOr nothing they have done to deserve it, and nothing they can do to undeserve it, other than simply accept the G_d Himself sent His only begotten Son to be betrayed, tortured and innocently be crucified for the payment of all sin (yesterday, today and tomorrow)





Therefore I dare say, that a christian who has accepted this gift, cannot fall from grace in the sense that G_d would eternally punish this person for having sinned again.



Of course, this so precious gift is not a motive nor reason to just disregard G_d�s law and the teachings of Jesus.



Again, I still have to meet one single christian, aware of this so mysterious and sacrificial gift of Jesus, who is living as if the rest of Jesus� teachings are totally redundant and not to be taken seriously.

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Posted : 17 Aug, 2010 03:09 PM

I will let the Lord and His Word speak on this matter.

Then everyone can have their say.











John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.



John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.





John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

John 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.







John 18:8 Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:

John 18:9 That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.





I will speak later about the verses from Hebrews 6.

These do not talk about believing,then falling away.



Agape' and Charis:

St.George

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loose your salvation true or untrue?
Posted : 17 Aug, 2010 03:58 PM

George , you said you would let the the Word Jesus speak on this matter, where is the response to the post according to Scripture.

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Posted : 17 Aug, 2010 04:08 PM

Thanks be to God that NO ONE can snatch us out of His hand!:yay:

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