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Admin	Question Posted : 26 Jun, 2010 06:27 AM Jo 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. There are those that want others to believe this scripture does not apply to whosoever. How do you say you believe the word of God is true and treat this scripture as if it is not? Post Reply
klmartin62 View Profile History	Question Posted : 26 Jun, 2010 01:20 PM The bible is made up of more than one scripture, how do you ignore the ones you don't like and still say you believe the word of God? It is the same thing PJ. Surely you can see that. At least these people have told you why it doesn't mean what you think. You refuse to even acknowledge the hundreds of scriptures others have shown you. Maybe if you did that people would take you seriously, and someone other than a new person would post on your threads. Be Blessed, Leon Post Reply
View Profile History	Question Posted : 26 Jun, 2010 04:22 PM The question is not what whosoever means, but what does the "For" mean in "For God so loved...." Post Reply
View Profile History	Question Posted : 26 Jun, 2010 07:44 PM Very simple. "For" means "because." "Because God so loved the world........" Post Reply
View Profile History	Question Posted : 26 Jun, 2010 08:16 PM No that is not what for means. Got to remember the chapter and verse numbers were never part of the original writings. To change for to because would be smashing in what you want it to mean and not what the original author was trying to say. To find the meaning you have to look at what is before the for and see how the thought flows. Changing a word so the verse says what you want it to mean is a very bad hermeneutics practice people need to get away from. Post Reply
View Profile History	Question Posted : 26 Jun, 2010 08:32 PM No that is not what for means. Got to remember the chapter and verse numbers were never part of the original writings. To change for to because would be smashing in what you want it to mean and not what the original author was trying to say. To find the meaning you have to look at what is before the for and see how the thought flows. Changing a word so the verse says what you want it to mean is a very bad hermeneutics practice people need to get away from. And since you brought this verse up PJ trying to prove whatever point you are getting at let us read so we do not lose it's true meaning out of context. Got to remember context rules when interpreting the Bible rightly! 12I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? 13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven�the Son of Man. 14Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God." Seems like some are condemned already because they did not believe. So what was your point in this thread PJ? I don't have a problem with whosoever. Because "whosoever" God chose will believe that is not hard to understand. I also hint a bit of total depravity here as well. Who is evil and love darkness in these verses? Post Reply
View Profile History	Question Posted : 27 Jun, 2010 04:50 AM The point is your total response of unbelief, you proved the whole point and corrupted the word. The context is very clear as the principle being the same thruout the bible, whosoever believeth, shall be saved not one time does it say, the chosenhall be saved. Thank you Mr. Row for confirming the unbelief, by the way Jesus called that sin. Post Reply
View Profile History	Question Posted : 27 Jun, 2010 06:29 AM PJ are you saying all will be in heaven, even unbelievers???? If not, then would not it be right to say the chosen are the believers who accept Jesus? then we Christians are chsen right??? Please expain what you think here. In detail please,Dennis Post Reply
View Profile History	Question Posted : 27 Jun, 2010 06:35 AM Well Dennis sincerely, I approach the word of God by my heart, believing that it is the truth as it is written, and yes we are chosen if we acceptt salvation. There are those that say this verse does not apply to all, only the chosen, because all are not called. This verse in line with many verses is Bible doctrine whosoever will believe that Jesus is lord and confess him with their mouth can and will be saved. The verse in and of itself calls out to the lost. Post Reply
View Profile History	Question Posted : 27 Jun, 2010 06:37 AM Thank you for clearing that up,Dennis Post Reply
shepherdingking View Profile History	Question Posted : 27 Jun, 2010 11:43 AM Can you rightfully divide the Word of Truth (Bible). "It is God will all are saved." "Whatever we ask according to His will shall be done." Post Reply

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