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Posted : 16 Jun, 2010 05:40 PM

One of the bad things about doing calminian wars over and over, is because we

never get to talk about the MEANS God has chosen.



The five points the Arminians object to, have to do with the ENDS of all things.

God chooses----------God Glorifies





We happen to live in the middle of that, and that means we should not neglect

the MEANS that God has chosen. We are commanded to USE the MEANS that God has

chosen for us to use.



Reformed preaching and teaching has TONS of stuff on this one subject, that to

an Arminian would sound strange, just like having the parents of an infant being

baptized say to the church that they will not hinder the child if the child

grows up and wants to be a missionary, and that they will raise the child in the

fear and admonition of the Lord.



Do you know there is even the Puritan concept of "seeking irresistible grace"?

To an Arminian, that makes no sense at all, because in the back of their minds

they keep repeating false concepts like "robot" and "why pray then?" and so the

MEANS of God's grace which are very important to the Christian life, and big in

Reformed preaching, don't make sense to an Arminian as to why a Calvinist would

be so concerned about it.



One proof of HOW important it is....



Just remember how many famous Calvinists were famous for preaching the gospel to

the lost, and how many of them traveled into the darkest jungles, etc.



In Christ,



James

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Posted : 16 Jun, 2010 06:31 PM

It is not Calvinism nor Armenians, their is no righteousness in either name.



It is the King of Kings, Lord of Lord and he is wonderful, I have never had him to wanna talk to me about either one.



It is his priority for those that claim to know him, to exalt him and no other.

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Posted : 16 Jun, 2010 07:18 PM

PJ,



For once we agree. There is no other name by which we are saved.



Both of the others are just men. All they knew was the portion God chose to show them. That is why both of them made mistakes in their theology. God will only reveal to you what you are ready to receive. I believe Jesus was the only one who knew it all. With Moses as a close second.



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Posted : 17 Jun, 2010 06:10 AM

For PHillipJohn,



As I said to you last time, being thickheaded and talking a lot is a bad combination.



Could you at least spell the word correctly?



An "armenian" is a person from the country of Armenia.



An "Arminian" is a person who believes the five points of Arminianism.



This thread is SUPPOSED to be about the means of grace.



If you have any comments about the means of grace, then I would like to hear them.



In Christ,



James

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Posted : 17 Jun, 2010 03:22 PM

Until I came to this site I had never heard of these 2 people and the way they believed. Friends when a jew converts to Christ they are a Messinisc jew.They do not agree with alvin or Arminian.I hope my spelling is right.(Arminian)

I did read the Chapter Romans 9 and could not find predestinaton in that chapter.I read from The NIV. It talked about being chosen, but not predestened.

I have several issues with this once saved always saved thinking.

There is several verses that say your name can be blotted out of the Lambs book of life.Only those who are saved can have their names removed.:peace:

Also, I believe that a believer can commit blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

I have stated my case and am more than glad to hear from you.Do not allow my views to change yours.

Your friend and brother in Christ,Dennis:glow:

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Posted : 17 Jun, 2010 05:00 PM

Yes I do Steve if you have ever received the grace of God, it is by Faith, no as far as calling me thickheaded that is ok, but well you know the word of God is true, and for those that believe it is always by faith, never by manipulation,



Now what you call thickheaded, Jesus calls love.



Thank you for the blessing!!



Jo 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.



For this cause was the son of God manifest!!

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Posted : 17 Jun, 2010 07:09 PM

"The horizon of many people is a circle with zero radius which they call their point of view." -Albert Einstein

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Posted : 18 Jun, 2010 01:32 PM

The frustrating thing about people that havent studied enough,yet like to be very vocal on a forum is,they dont even understand that,by default,you have either a calvinist or an arminian veiw of the bible.Its kind of like saying Well,I dont live in the North or the South,well,Yes you do.....You either beleive that you came to Christ on your own,or,that you came because he regenerated your heart first,and changed your nature,wich,I beleive the bible is very clear that the latter is true,Intelligent,deep,and even fun conversations could be had by adults that are willing to disscuss this topic without constantly telling someone their a liar,or they dont beleive God ect. ect...





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Steve

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Posted : 18 Jun, 2010 01:48 PM

Good point MoG/Steve...It is a Black or White...Yes or No...not a Maybe or Maybe So...Ya either Do or Dont...or...It is or isnt...

Manna for thought ~ A Gent of GOD shared this with me...

A Truth an a Lie...can not...Exisit in the Same Moment of Time...it is Theoreticly an Scientificly an Spiritualy IMPOSSIBLE...go figer...xo

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Posted : 18 Jun, 2010 02:16 PM

The reason I hold the doctrines of grace so dear is because,I was A fist fightin, Beer guzzlin,womanizing dude,who wanted nothing to do with Christ,He changed me!I give him all the credit because I know I was a depraved sinner,purposely hostile to God and all his creation!It has been truly miraculous,I could write a book,you just wouldnt beleive all the stuff Ive been through,God should have given up on me a long time ago,but,he will not lose ANY of his own!



In Christ



Steve:rocknroll:

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Posted : 18 Jun, 2010 02:18 PM

@Steve- I'm not a Calvinist or an Arminiast! I'm really not! Neither one! Seriously! I think they were both awfully confused fellows!

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