The bible clearly teaches these concepts all throughout scripture.anyone who pretends it doesnt,or misinterperates these passages on purpose,is not being honest,or doesnt want to acknowledge All of gods teachings
The bible is clear that none of us deserve salvation except through the blood of Christ!
It is also clear that not everyone goes to heaven.
It is also clear that most wont go to heaven.
whats different about the few who find it.
Nothing!
The lord said"I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy"
so it is by grace alone we are saved,through faith,and not of works,so no man can boast!
there is nothing good in us that makes us merit the eternal kingdom.
It is best to Stick with the word of God, Jesus dies for the world and we take him at his word. The one that paid for my redemption is not a liar.
Now in light of Your statement those that interpret the word of God obviously put themselves above God, For they deny the word of God is true.
Jo 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
2nd 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16 � Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ�s stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
1 � We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
This is your new testament guideline for whose sins where atoned for.
I also noticed you keep wanting to imply only a few will be saved.
Mat 7:13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
Mat 7:14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
So, yes, not many will be saved.
Joh 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day
So PJ, is it that you don't believe the word of God, or do you just think Jesus was lying? Because it has to be one or the other for your statement to be true.
Yeah P.J.,I stopped talking to you A while back because of your Limited knowledge of the bible.Wich you prove over and over again.You follow Charles Finney,whos theology is basically a pick and choose theology.
Yes in America,and worldwide,Im afraid their is a trend towards universalism,Wich means that god will save all or most.But this is not the gospel!
So stop following mans word,and deal with reality,this will be my last communication with you because I find you rude and disrespectful.And incapable of having an adult conversation.
I dont mind talking with someone who disagree and debates,but you just badger folks with your arrogance,but your not bright enough to even understand the issues,so take a hike!
You should consider posting on a non biblical forum, it is not a matter if you respond to me, because you obviously do not agree with God's word, there is no agreement when you are outside the word of God
The issue is not are these terms in the bible, of course theyare and you can agree with all the people you want, it will not change the word, Jesus died and paid for all of mankind, that is without question. You have to put truth within truth, truth never nullifys truth, it could not be true.
Leon what in the world do you think that changes the word, you posted a declaration as if that limits God, Of course he draws mankind, but as he is not willingly that any should perish we know who he draws, he has already declared to believers, he is not a respecter of persons.
So are you saying everyone goes to Heaven PJ? If everyone has their sins paid for on the cross by Jesus then no one goes to hell, right PJ? Is this what you are telling us?
The context you mentioned Leon is of course mis represented, what is the context of those scriptues you posted?
Mt 7:7 � Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12 � Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 � Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep�s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 � Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
