Thread: Matthew 28:18-20:Is this really about water baptism?
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Matthew 28:18-20:Is this really about water baptism?
Posted : 12 Jun, 2010 04:41 PM
This is something the Lord had been showing me for a few years about Matthew 28:18-20,this is not a mandate for
water Baptism;Acts 2:38 is.
Please look up the word Baptizing in Matthew 28:19,along with the two words "Teach"verse 19 and Teaching verse 20..
Then ask ABBA,what He is saying in this His Word..
Remember the context of this is about Discipleship.
Yeshua has commissioned these Jewish men to be going to the Nations/the Ethnos-Unclean ones.
They are to be making Disciples unto Yeshua the Jewish Messiah.
What the Lord shows you should be understood and taught by the Church,for this is not talking about water Baptism.
This is talking about immersing People into or with the Names Of GOD,as revealed in the Old Covenant.
To baptize a person in water,is a one time event.
To be baptizing/immersing believers into or with the names of GOD,is an on going continuous process,which requires that I have a deep understand of the Lord and His revealed names myself.
Each name reveals His character,attitude,personality;Who He is and what He is like.
Baptism,in water is unto the Remission/Forgiveness/the release of sins from the sinner..
And in the name of Yeshua,ONLY:Please read Acts 2 :38
Matthew 28:18-20:Is this really about water baptism?
Posted : 12 Jun, 2010 05:39 PM
Hey Trucker,
I am sorry to have to disagree, but the word used here for Baptize is a derivative of a greek word that means to moisten. (Strongs G911) To moisten them about the names of God makes no sense to me, so I will stick with the original translation.
Matthew 28:18-20:Is this really about water baptism?
Posted : 12 Jun, 2010 10:19 PM
Trucker,
No, I have the same definition, but I am talking about the root of that word. Where it came from, what it is related to, etc..
G907
βαπτίζω
baptizō
Thayer Definition:
1) to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
2) to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one�s self, bathe
3) to overwhelm
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: from a derivative of G911
Citing in TDNT: 1:529, 92
Notice 907 is derived from the word #G911 which is:
G911
βάπτω
baptō
bap'-to
A primary verb; to whelm, that is, cover wholly with a fluid; in the New Testament only in a qualified or specific sense, that is, (literally) to moisten (a part of one�s person), or (by implication) to stain (as with dye): - dip.
I find it helps me know more about the meaning if I understand completely what the word means. I always look at the root of a word, it is eye opening.
Matthew 28:18-20:Is this really about water baptism?
Posted : 12 Jun, 2010 11:00 PM
My Sisters and Brothers,
help me here and tell me if what I say makes sense or not.
The author of Matthew had disciples that he taught and they in turn taught others. Would not these disciples know exactly what Matthew meant when he wrote Matthew 28:18-20? I would think that Matthew would explain quite clearly what Christ taught and showed him.
So if these disciples who heard it from the disciples that heard it straight from The Author's mouth wrote letters about Baptisim...why should we say that they are wrong? If all the disciples wrote the same thing...how can we justify claiming that they are All Wrong?
Think about it...for over 1500 years there was no problem with Baptisim and what it meant.
Read the Early Fathers of The Church. They are long winded but you will be amazed at what you read.
Matthew 28:18-20:Is this really about water baptism?
Posted : 13 Jun, 2010 04:59 AM
friends I had something explained to me once that was like this. reading the word, ( bible ) you are baptized in the living waters of the Holy Spirit. A spiritual submergence. hope this helps some of you. Some times a verse can have 2 meanings. physical and spiritual. :peace:
Matthew 28:18-20:Is this really about water baptism?
Posted : 13 Jun, 2010 06:47 AM
Acts 8:36And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Matthew 28:18-20:Is this really about water baptism?
Posted : 13 Jun, 2010 07:39 AM
Trucker what does this passage say? Jesus is speaking to His disciples and to all believers this is the Commisson Jesus is sending the disciples forth as well as all believers to minister the gospel to the people and make disciples of them.
Verses 18-20: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. Therefore, you Go, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you, and look, I am with you always, even to the end of the world. Amen.
You ask if the baptizing Jesus speaks about is really about water baptism. I would ask you what other baptism could He possibly be speaking about, if not water. The disciples nor do we, as believers have the pwoer to baptize anyone with any other baptism. So yes, Jesus is speaking about water baptism where in you baptise new believers who have been converted in the name of the Lord. First step of their faith after conversion.
Matthew 28:18-20:Is this really about water baptism?
Posted : 13 Jun, 2010 01:03 PM
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Mat 28:1 � In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Mat 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
Mat 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
Mat 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead [men].
Mat 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
Mat 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
Mat 28:7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
Mat 28:8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
Mat 28:9 � And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
Mat 28:10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.
Mat 28:11 � Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done.
Mat 28:12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,
Mat 28:13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him [away] while we slept.
Mat 28:14 And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you.
Mat 28:15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.
Mat 28:16 � Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
From a derivative of βάπτω (G911)
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Outline of Biblical Usage 1) to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
2) to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe
3) to overwhelm
"Note on Baptism in Ac. Baptism in water (such as John's) is distinguished from baptism with the Holy Spirit (i. 5, etc.). Those who receive the latter, however, may also be baptized in water (cf. xi. 16 with x. 47); and there is one example of people who had previously received John's baptism receiving Christian baptism as a preliminary to receiving the Spirit (xix. 3 ff.). John's was a baptism of repentance (xiii. 24; xix. 4), as was also Christian baptism (ii. 38), but as John's pointed forward to Jesus (xix. 4), it became obsolete when He came. Christian baptism followed faith in the Lord Jesus (xvi. 31 ff.); it was associated with His name (ii. 38; viii. 16, etc.), which was invoked by the person baptized (xxii. 16); it signified the remission (ii. 38) or washing away of sins (xxii. 16); sometimes it preceded (ii. 38; viii. 15 ff.; xix. 5), sometimes followed (x. 47 f.) the receiving of the Spirit." (F. F. Bruce. The Acts of the Apostles [Greek Text Commentary], London: Tyndale, 1952, p. 98, n. 1.)
This word should not be confused with bapt� (911). The clearest example that shows the meaning of baptizo is a text from the Greek poet and physician Nicander, who lived about 200 B.C. It is a recipe for making pickles and is helpful because it uses both words. Nicander says that in order to make a pickle, the vegetable should first be 'dipped' (bapt�) into boiling water and then 'baptised' (baptiz�) in the vinegar solution. Both verbs concern the immersing of vegetables in a solution. But the first is temporary. The second, the act of baptising the vegetable, produces a permanent change.
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Mat 3:6 And 2532 were baptized 907 of 5259 him 846 in 1722 Jordan 2446, confessing 1843 their 846 sins 266.
Mat 3:11 I 1473 indeed 3303 baptize 907 you 5209 with 1722 water 5204 unto 1519 repentance 3341: but 1161 he that cometh 2064 after 3694 me 3450 is 2076 mightier than 2478 I 3450, whose 3739 shoes 5266 I am 1510 not 3756 worthy 2425 to bear 941 : he 846 shall baptize 907 you 5209 with 1722 the Holy 40 Ghost 4151, and 2532 [with] fire 4442:
Mat 3:13 Then 5119 cometh 3854 Jesus 2424 from 575 Galilee 1056 to 1909 Jordan 2446 unto 4314 John 2491, to be baptized 907 of 5259 him 846.
Mat 3:14 But 1161 John 2491 forbad 1254 him, saying 3004 , I 1473 have 2192 need 5532 to be baptized 907 of 5259 thee 4675, and 2532 comest 2064 thou 4771 to 4314 me 3165?
Mat 3:16 And 2532 Jesus 2424, when he was baptized 907 , went up 305 straightway 2117 out of 575 the water 5204: and 2532, lo 2400 , the heavens 3772 were opened 455 unto him 846, and 2532 he saw 1492 the Spirit 4151 of God 2316 descending 2597 like 5616 a dove 4058, and 2532 lighting 2064 upon 1909 him 846:
Mat 20:22 But 1161 Jesus 2424 answered 611 and said 2036 , Ye know 1492 not 3756 what 5101 ye ask 154 . Are ye able 1410 to drink 4095 of the cup 4221 that 3739 I 1473 shall 3195 drink of 4095 , and 2532 to be baptized 907 with the baptism 908 that 3739 I 1473 am baptized with 907 ? They say 3004 unto him 846, We are able 1410 .
Mat 20:23 And 2532 he saith 3004 unto them 846, Ye shall drink 4095 indeed 3303 of my 3450 cup 4221, and 2532 be baptized 907 with the baptism 908 that 3739 I 1473 am baptized with 907 : but 1161 to sit 2523 on 1537 my 3450 right hand 1188, and 2532 on 1537 my 3450 left 2176, is 2076 not 3756 mine 1699 to give 1325 , but 235 [it shall be given to them] for whom 3739 it is prepared 2090 of 5259 my 3450 Father 3962.
Mat 28:19 Go ye 4198 therefore 3767, and teach 3100 all 3956 nations 1484, baptizing 907 them 846 in 1519 the name 3686 of the Father 3962, and 2532 of the Son 5207, and 2532 of the Holy 40 Ghost 4151:
Mar 1:4 John 2491 did 1096 baptize 907 in 1722 the wilderness 2048, and 2532 preach 2784 the baptism 908 of repentance 3341 for 1519 the remission 859 of sins 266.
Mar 1:5 And 2532 there went out 1607 unto 4314 him 846 all 3956 the land 5561 of Judaea 2449, and 2532 they of Jerusalem 2415, and 2532 were 907 0 all 3956 baptized 907 of 5259 him 846 in 1722 the river 4215 of Jordan 2446, confessing 1843 their 846 sins 266.
Mar 1:8 I 1473 indeed 3303 have baptized 907 you 5209 with 1722 water 5204: but 1161 he 846 shall baptize 907 you 5209 with 1722 the Holy 40 Ghost 4151.
Mar 1:9 And 2532 it came to pass 1096 in 1722 those 1565 days 2250, that Jesus 2424 came 2064 from 575 Nazareth 3478 of Galilee 1056, and 2532 was baptized 907 of 5259 John 2491 in 1519 Jordan 2446.
Mar 6:14 And 2532 king 935 Herod 2264 heard 191 [of him]; (for 1063 his 846 name 3686 was 1096 spread abroad 5318:) and 2532 he said 3004 , That 3754 John 2491 the Baptist 907 was risen 1453 from 1537 the dead 3498, and 2532 therefore 1223 5124 mighty works 1411 do shew forth themselves 1754 in 1722 him 846.
Mar 7:4 And 2532 [when they come] from 575 the market 58, except 3362 they wash 907 , they eat 2068 not 3756. And 2532 many 4183 other things 243 there be 2076 , which 3739 they have received 3880 to hold 2902 , [as] the washing 909 of cups 4221, and 2532 pots 3582, 2532 brasen vessels 5473, and 2532 of tables 2825.
Mar 10:38 But 1161 Jesus 2424 said 2036 unto them 846, Ye know 1492 not 3756 what 5101 ye ask 154 : can ye 1410 drink 4095 of the cup 4221 that 3739 I 1473 drink of 4095 ? and 2532 be baptized 907 with the baptism 908 that 3739 I 1473 am baptized with 907 ?
Mar 10:39 And 1161 they said 2036 unto him 846, We can 1410 . And 1161 Jesus 2424 said 2036 unto them 846, Ye shall 4095 0 indeed 3303 drink 4095 of the cup 4221 that 3739 I 1473 drink of 4095 ; and 2532 with the baptism 908 that 3739 I 1473 am baptized withal 907 shall ye be baptized 907 :
Mar 16:16 He that believeth 4100 and 2532 is baptized 907 shall be saved 4982 ; but 1161 he that believeth not 569 shall be damned 2632 .
Luk 3:7 Then 3767 said 3004 he to the multitude 3793 that came forth 1607 to be baptized 907 of 5259 him 846, O generation 1081 of vipers 2191, who 5101 hath warned 5263 you 5213 to flee 5343 from 575 the wrath 3709 to come 3195 ?
Luk 3:12 Then 1161 came 2064 also 2532 publicans 5057 to be baptized 907 , and 2532 said 2036 unto 4314 him 846, Master 1320, what 5101 shall we do 4160 ?
Luk 3:16 John 2491 answered 611 , saying 3004 unto [them] all 537, I 1473 indeed 3303 baptize 907 you 5209 with water 5204; but 1161 one mightier than 2478 I 3450 cometh 2064 , the latchet 2438 of whose 3739 846 shoes 5266 I am 1510 not 3756 worthy 2425 to unloose 3089 : he 846 shall baptize 907 you 5209 with 1722 the Holy 40 Ghost 4151 and 2532 with fire 4442:
Luk 3:21 Now 1161 when all 537 the people 2992 were baptized 1722 907 , it came to pass 1096 , that Jesus 2424 also 2532 being baptized 907 , and 2532 praying 4336 , the heaven 3772 was opened 455 ,
Luk 7:29 And 2532 all 3956 the people 2992 that heard 191 [him], and 2532 the publicans 5057, justified 1344 God 2316, being baptized 907 with the baptism 908 of John 2491.
Luk 7:30 But 1161 the Pharisees 5330 and 2532 lawyers 3544 rejected 114 the counsel 1012 of God 2316 against 1519 themselves 1438, being 907 0 not 3361 baptized 907 of 5259 him 846.
Luk 11:38 And 1161 when the Pharisee 5330 saw 1492 [it], he marvelled 2296 that 3754 he had 907 0 not 3756 first 4412 washed 907 before 4253 dinner 712.
Luk 12:50 But 1161 I have 2192 a baptism 908 to be baptized with 907 ; and 2532 how 4459 am I straitened 4912 till 2193 3757 it be accomplished 5055 !
