Is shown from those that proclaim man is not able to choose life, or anything right.
They proclaim that Jesus died only for his elect, even though The word of God says whosoever believeth on him shall have everlasting life.
Jo 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
2nd cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
I hope that you will be having a Blessed day and a Blessed week.
From the time Adam recieved the Will if the Lord,"Do not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evi"l.....
Genesis 2:17;Man with his so-called free wil, has been choosing to sin ever day since that day.
Man does not have a free will,He is a slave to sin until Yeshua set him/her free....
Jonh 8:31-36
Romans 6:15-23
Ephesians 2:1-10
Colossians 1:20-22
Even after Yeshua has set us free,we still continue to sin,this is why He says to confess your sins and He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness....1st John 1:8-10
Unless the Lord gives a person saving faith in Yeshua, then draws them to Yeshua,while the holy Spirit convicts them of Sin,righteousness and judgement:Then He/She is not able to believe or come to Yeshua on their own.
Draw John 6:44
Convict John 16:7-14
Acts 1:7-8
Man left to himself will choose sin and death,yet the Lord Who is Merciful set before man Life and death and then tells Him to choose life.
Deuteronomy 30:15-20
John 13:18
John 15:16
John 17:2
John 17:6-9(Yeshua does not pray for the world)and verse 12.......
Had the Lord chosen me in christ from before the creation of all wee see and cannot see.
I would still be living on the streets,drunk and sick,maybe in prison still.
Being Omniscient ABBA could not help knowing who will be saved.....
I would write more,but I happen to be very tired at this moment(3:10 am Tuesday 8,Jun 2010).
bible because according to your comments the word of God is not true.
That is exactly why from the beginning Adam and Eve had a choice, and not only that they had dominion over the serpent, they choose to not exercise it and then the fall. if that is not the case the bible is all a lie.
You proved but my point very clearly, take heed to what you hear, for then you will believe the lie.
By the way the old testament is full of people that choose to do things the lord ask them, and it is full of those that choose not to.
It is clearly a choice to believe or not, Mr Trucker you would also accuse the lord of being confused and unjust by you declarations.
You are absolutely correct. Don't let any naysayers get to you. They run around accusing everyone of the thing thy are guilty of. Anyone that denies God's sovereignty is of Satan and doesn't deserve attention. They like to pick and choose which bible verses they want to believe and ignore the rest, then they accuse you of not believing the word. Just say get thee behind me Satan and move on, brother. Great job.
Leon you prove where the lord is confused, unjust, a liar, for those that believe know the error in the sovereign over all things, there is nothing any uglier you could say of the father.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
You either don't know it, or you are of Satan. I am taking your word that you know it. That leaves only one other option. You obviously don't believe God when He tells of His election, that makes you not one of His. It is that simple.
Either answer all the scriptures you have been presented with here or don't bother addressing me again because I will not argue with idiots. Prove you have some grasp of the bible by explaining about drawing and Romans 9. I didn't think so.
Joh 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day
Rom 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Rom 8:30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
Rom 8:31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
Rom 9:9 For this is the word of promise: "AT THIS TIME I WILL COME AND SARAH SHALL HAVE A SON."
Rom 9:10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac
Rom 9:11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
Rom 9:12 it was said to her, "THE OLDER SHALL SERVE THE YOUNGER."
Rom 9:13 As it is written, "JACOB I HAVE LOVED, BUT ESAU I HAVE HATED."
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not!
Rom 9:15 For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOMEVER I WILL HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOMEVER I WILL HAVE COMPASSION."
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I HAVE RAISED YOU UP, THAT I MAY SHOW MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MAY BE DECLARED IN ALL THE EARTH."
Rom 9:18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
Rom 9:19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?"
Rom 9:20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?"
Rom 9:21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
Rom 9:22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
Rom 9:23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,
Rom 8:33 Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies.
Try explaining these away. There are hundreds more. Cover these with your lies if you can. I don't think you have a clue as to the truth, but this is a start. I'll bet you don't even try because you can't. Lol.
PJ has proven over and over who his father is! It is the Devil! Satan knows scriptures as good as anybody and uses scripture twisting to blind others or lead them to sin. Like PJ has been doing. Satan used scriptures to temp Jesus. So I am with you Leon until PJ can do a better job of clearly explaining his stand on some very clear verse that speak of election and prove other wise he is a tool of Satan trying to sow discord among the brethern. I know God hates that, it is one of the 7 things that are an obamanation to Him in Proverbs. PJ=:devil:
Row and Leon, Please know that PJ IS NOT a child of satan or the devil.
PJ is our brother in Christ, he believes in the Lord Jesus Christ as his personal Savior just as you do. And he is doing his very best to come into a knowledge and understanding of God's word.
And those of you who THINK they have it all together in the word , and THINK they have obtained in knowledge, wisdom, and understanding in the fullness of God's word, OUGHT NOT YOU to help those who do not understand clearly?
I would think this is YOU REASONABLE DUTY if you are a stronger christian in God's word, than PJ, who has proven that his knowledge and understanding is rather weak and off course in the word.
Yes, the devil qouted scriotures and knows the word well,. But To say PJ is of his father satan and of the devil, just because he cannot understand how to connect the dots , nor can he explain scriptures, does not mean he's of the devil. It is obvious that His understanding and knowledge is based on being self taught. For so were some of you when you first came into the knowledge and understanding of the word, and in some case you still get it all wrong!
There are issues here with spiritual understanding, and yes the devil is using him for his own purposes... BUT GOD is also using PJ for His OWN purposes, to see how all you (we) so-called strong Christian will handle the situation and explain to our brother those things he does not understand or comprehend.
However, I must admit PJ, is stubborn and hardheaded, so there is much work to be done on OUR part, and God will do the rest, IF WE DO THE FIRST THINGS FIRST... rebuke, correct, instruct, reproof, exhort, and encourage him when he does make a clear point....and the word of God says AFTER we have done these things, then leave him alone, and pray that he will repent and that God will bring him into his senses... I'm just saying:peace:
