Author	Thread: What Jesus did to satan in hell
Admin	What Jesus did to satan in hell Posted : 19 May, 2010 01:04 PM My bible tells me that when Jesus died he went to hell and took the keys of death back.Thus is what he died on the cross for, Right?????? I know this to be true. In the old testament before grace satan had the keys to death. Now Jesus has them. he saves us by salvation. Thus jesus is the King of this world, (god) For me to say any different I believe would call god a liar.This I can not and will not do. Jesus took it all back. Just read all 4 accounts of the crucfixion in the gospel or the first few chapters in acts, Jesus is the redeemer. dennis I put this in another post. there seems to be a misunderstanding as to what I wrote????? Why I do not know? Jesus who died on the cross took the keys of death away from satan sets us free from death. This is the basis of the faith. How can one be so blind as to disagree. We are saved by the death on the cross. Our sins are wiped away by jesus. Post Reply
View Profile History	What Jesus did to satan in hell Posted : 19 May, 2010 01:27 PM "My bible tells me that when Jesus died he went to hell and took the keys of death back.Thus is what he died on the cross for, Right?????? I know this to be true. In the old testament before grace satan had the keys to death. Now Jesus has them. he saves us by salvation. Thus jesus is the King of this world, (god)" dennis your conclusion is inconsistent with the facts you have provided. IF Jesus took back the keys of death and hell from lucifer THEN Jesus has the keys of death and hell AND lucifer does not THUS Jesus has dominion over death and hell. where does it mention that Christ has dominion over the world? lucifer is the prince of the air. Jesus is the lion of Judah. there were two trees in the midst of the garden. the tree of life[whom i believe was Jesus] and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil [whom i believe was lucifer]. dominion was given to man along with instructions after creation. after the fall GOD handed out judgement to lucifer, eve and adam, then sent man out of the garden and made thorns etc spring up and cursed the land. i do not know of any account where dominion was taken away from man. Post Reply
View Profile History	What Jesus did to satan in hell Posted : 19 May, 2010 02:05 PM Nyanda we see that account in luke ch 4:, when Jesus went into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil plus in 1st cor. 4:4 Post Reply
View Profile History	What Jesus did to satan in hell Posted : 19 May, 2010 02:23 PM Folks you give Satan way too much credit,dominion justs means caretaking,satan is on a short leash and can do nothing that is allowed by the father! Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philippians 2:9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Colossians 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Revelation 19:12 His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. In Christ Steve Post Reply
View Profile History	What Jesus did to satan in hell Posted : 19 May, 2010 02:30 PM it is written, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge". lucifer is the prince of the air because he manipulates. the 1/3 fallen angels go his bidding and carry away those of us who do not seek knowledge, wisdom and understanding. he is the father of lies because of the same things. he has no power. he is the same as a scientists, alchemist, witch. it's all smoke and mirrors. he only has power if you fear him. that said; he is the father of this world. i say this because the world i see, is altogether vanity. it is strengthened by one's ignorance and a plethora of misconceptions. look at hollywood, is it not a mountain of lies? look at the principalities which govern this world are they not lies? the one's which reward evil and punish good? that is what this "world" comprises of. is it not ruled by lucifer and his lies? when Jesus prayed for us, he asked that we not be taken out of this world, but that we be protected. the light of Christ is supposed to shine through us and pierce the clouds of lies which are perpetuated through the ignorance of many. the world is dark because of ignorance, people are ignorant because of lies. Christ is life because he is the truth, if he were the ruler of this world why does a new heaven and a new earth need to be created? Post Reply
View Profile History	What Jesus did to satan in hell Posted : 19 May, 2010 02:40 PM Steve I agree with you.I had seen to many people here give satan to much power.This has troubled me for a very long time.I finally decided to address it. All my life I have sang the sangs that Jesus defeated death and took the keys of death away from satan. I have heard sermons on how Jesus went to hell and lined all the demons up and strip them of their power. This is the new testament age things changed.Dennis Post Reply
View Profile History	What Jesus did to satan in hell Posted : 19 May, 2010 03:05 PM One of the biggest problems with the whole thing about Jesus going to Hell and defeating the devil there is this: The devil was not then, nor has he ever been, nor is he now in Hell. He will be one day, but he is not there now. Hell is not the place of Satan's throne. Another problem is the fact that Scripture is clear in declaring that Jesus defeated Satan on the Cross, not after the Cross. The Bible is also clear that at the point of the Son's death on the Cross (not later in hell), but at the point of His death, the Father has HIGHLY EXALTED HIM. We are redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb. It has become quite popular these days to look to something else, but Scripture is clear that our redemption was secured by the BODILY suffering of Jesus on the Cross. Thanks God for the power of the Blood through which we have redemption, even the forgiveness of sins. Post Reply
View Profile History	What Jesus did to satan in hell Posted : 19 May, 2010 03:26 PM floodnut you are right when Jesus died on the cross he set us free. (salvation) But he also went to hell to set those in paradise free.he had to get the keys from satan. This was a major event. As all those in paradise went to heaven at that time.I believe we are just using different words to say the samething here. Just a twist in words,ok.Dennis Post Reply
View Profile History	What Jesus did to satan in hell Posted : 19 May, 2010 04:58 PM Nah, I'll try to be nice about this on this forum, but you are wrong. Jesus didn't go to hell to take the keys from Satan. It is a total fiction and not taught in the Bible. Our redemption was secured by the PHYSICAL DEATH of Jesus on the CROSS, by the SHEDDING OF HIS BLOOD, by satisfying the JUSTICE OF GOD, and not by "defeating the devil in Hell." Hell Paradise? Huh? It is a major event only in the fertile imaginations of some Christians. SATAN did not have the keys, but the Father had them and gave them to the Son. We are certainly NOT saying the same thing. You believe that the real securing of redemption did not take place on the Cross, but in Hell. But as I have shown the devil was NEVER IN HELL to be defeated there by Jesus. It is certainly, as you said, "a twist on words" however, and at least you recognize that, but we are not saying the same thing. DOZENS of times the New Testament affirms, asserts, and declares that our redemption was secured by > the Flesh of Jesus > the Body of Jesus > the Blood of Jesus > the Mortal Death of Jesus > the Cross of Jesus DOZENS of clear statements of Christian Scripture cannot be set aside by an imaginative mythology about a mysterious conquest in Hell. Post Reply
monalee View Profile History	What Jesus did to satan in hell Posted : 19 May, 2010 05:03 PM hi... right, Jesus paid the wages of sin so that mankind could have another chance at Eternity... this earth is Hell, it was a grave, an abyss yet Jesus came here and then overcame death through submission to Gods Will .. we can too... Jesus is The Way, Truth and Life, by no other way can mankind go b4 the Father to plead forgiveness and Righteousness... to me hell is not a place that exists right now, it is and will be Eternal death and separation from God and Everlasting life... blessings for Gods Holy Spirit of Truth Post Reply
View Profile History	What Jesus did to satan in hell Posted : 19 May, 2010 08:21 PM Because Dennis you never finished the topic it is very simple, the post was and is, who has dominion on the earth. Post Reply

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