* Num 22:28; 1Ki 17:4; Psa 29:9; Jer 8:7; Eze 32:4; Dan 6:22
The operations of all creation
Gen 8:22; Psa 104:5-10; Psa 104:13-14; Psa 104:19-20; Mark 4:39
Man is not permitted to question his sovereign acts
2. Job 33:12-13; Isa 29:16; Isa 45:9-10; Mat 20:1-16; Rom 9:19-24
God elects [i.e. chooses, predestines, foreordains]
1. His angels
1Tim 5:21
2. His peculiar people, Israel
Exo 6:7; Deu 7:6-8; Deu 10:14-15; Psa 33:12; Isa 43:20-21
3. Individuals to salvation
4. Psa 65:4; Mat 24:24; John 6:37; John 15:16; Act 13:48; Rom 8:28-30; Rom 9:10-24; Rom 11:5-7; Eph 1:3-6; Eph 1:11-12; 1The 1:4; 1The 5:9; 2The 2:13-14
Individuals to condemnation
Exo 4:21; Rom 9:13; Rom 9:17-18; Rom 9:21-22; 1Pet 2:8
His motivation in election
1. His own good pleasure
Eph 1:5; 2Tim 1:9
2. The display of his glory
Isa 43:6-7; Rom 9:22-24; 1Cor 1:27-31; Eph 2:4-7; Pro 16:4
3. His special love
Deu 7:6-8; 2The 2:13
4. His foreknowledge
Rom 8:29; 1Pet 1:2
* Which means his special love
* Jer 1:5; Amos 3:2; Mat 7:22-23; 1Cor 8:3; 2Tim 2:19; 1Pet 1:20
But not:
* Any good [nobility, wisdom, power, choice, seeking] he foresees in anyone Deu 7:7; Rom 9:11-13; Rom 9:16; Rom 10:20; 1Cor 1:27-29; 1Cor 4:7; 2Tim 1:9
We can see from these verses that God is UTTERLY sovereign over every tiny particle of the universe, and that includes the Salvation of every Christian.
Just HOW MUCH control does God have over everything?
Posted : 13 May, 2010 06:36 PM
Gen1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 � And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 � And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
This passage is very clear, the very one that made it all, said he gave it all to man and told man he had dominion, over all the earth.
We see it recorded in Luke for our understanding:Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Jesus was led of the spirit to be tempted of the devil,
Verse five satan showed him all kingdoms of the earth
Verse six satan said all this power will I give thee, for it was delivered unto me, We know by Genesis that
Adam had dominion and when they sinned, they turned it over to Satan.
2nd Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. Confirms luke again.
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Ephesians confirms mankind was under Satan's dominion.
Mt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
We see here in Mt 28:18 Jesus won it back and as it was given unto him, he then gave it to the body of Christ
Dominion has to be exercised by a body or body's on the earth
Satan is still God of the Earth and dominating unsaved people.
0 � But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ�s at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
We know this has not taken place yet so we know again it is confirmed who does have the dominion.
9 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us�ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
Again eph tells us dominion was given to Jesus.
The church is seated with him in heavenly places above our enemy.
the born again believers, the body of Christ are now in authority on the earth.
Just HOW MUCH control does God have over everything?
Posted : 13 May, 2010 06:36 PM
Gen1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 � And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 � And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
This passage is very clear, the very one that made it all, said he gave it all to man and told man he had dominion, over all the earth.
We see it recorded in Luke for our understanding:Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Jesus was led of the spirit to be tempted of the devil,
Verse five satan showed him all kingdoms of the earth
Verse six satan said all this power will I give thee, for it was delivered unto me, We know by Genesis that
Adam had dominion and when they sinned, they turned it over to Satan.
2nd Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. Confirms luke again.
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Ephesians confirms mankind was under Satan's dominion.
Mt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
We see here in Mt 28:18 Jesus won it back and as it was given unto him, he then gave it to the body of Christ
Dominion has to be exercised by a body or body's on the earth
Satan is still God of the Earth and dominating unsaved people.
0 � But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ�s at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
We know this has not taken place yet so we know again it is confirmed who does have the dominion.
9 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us�ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
Again eph tells us dominion was given to Jesus.
The church is seated with him in heavenly places above our enemy.
the born again believers, the body of Christ are now in authority on the earth.
Just HOW MUCH control does God have over everything?
Posted : 13 May, 2010 07:08 PM
PhillipJohn,
The reason I don't reply to you most of the time, is because you rarely make any sense.
I think have repented and you are trusting in Jesus alone for salvation, so I will consider you a brother in Christ.
That does not mean you can think straight, or even write properly, or make sense when you are discussing things on a discussion group.
What you need to do, when a person posts a verse of Scripture, and then gives you their interpretation, IF you disagree, then you need to SHOW WHERE their interpretation is wrong.
So, start with the verses I gave, and read them and SEE if they say that God is in control or not.
Then, if I have MISinterpreted a verse, then post that verse with YOUR CORRECT interpretation.
Show how a person misinterpreted the verse, don't just post a portion of scripture with no interpretation, because when you do that, you have not really done anything.
Just HOW MUCH control does God have over everything?
Posted : 13 May, 2010 09:41 PM
PJ... SirJames has a good point. I'm not saying that I agree/disagree with what you posted, but it is kind of hard sometimes to understand what you are saying. A lot of times it's your sentence structure (like missing punctuation, words jumbled up a little). I sometimes have to read a sentence over a few times before I can move on to the next one. Regardless, you still have very good points a lot of times. Like this time, for instance, with the verse from Genesis.
I agree with you, SirJames, about God being sovereign over all, but at the same time, I agree with PJ about God using his control over everything to give US a little control. It's like PJ pointed out in Genesis... God gave man dominion over certain things. I'm not saying God has made himself less powerful. Don't take it the wrong way. He has simply ALLOWED us a little freedom to do what WE choose to do. That's not to say that He can't override this if He sees fit. This is evident in several stories (like the pharaoh, etc). But in the end, we don't fully know the mind of God. In fact... we're not even CLOSE to knowing even a fragment of what God truly is. He is so much greater than we can comprehend. All we know of Him is what he reveals to us through His Word, and through His Spirit.
Just HOW MUCH control does God have over everything?
Posted : 13 May, 2010 09:55 PM
Whether or not I articulate well is my short coming, but Number one I didn't author the word, Your topic is how much control, does God have over everything, when we are speaking of the earth it is very clear, couldn't be any clearer.
James a believer is not to approach God with his senses, no part of the flesh, or soul of man contacts the lord, man can only commune with God out of the heart or Spirit.
So if your topic is who has dominion on the earth it is very clear in Scripture, Satan is the God of this world, And the body of the Christ is supposed to be in dominion know over Satan.
I didn't write the bible, I just believe it, that is what Christians do is believe what is written.
When you think wrong, you will believe wrong
With the God is in Control of every thing doctrine violates new testament Christianity it puts the christian in a place of no responsibility. That is not bible!!
Just HOW MUCH control does God have over everything?
Posted : 13 May, 2010 10:22 PM
kingdoms on the earth, how many
Kingdom of God
Kingdom of Darkness
Genesis: 1:26 � And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
This verse mentions how much dominion Adam, had over all the earth, not some all.
In luke ch 4 satan was offered all the earth, because he had, we know Jesus Got it back, what is hard to understand.
If you post fifty verses that seem to say otherwise, it does not change what this scripture clearly tells us, you then have to go scripture in light of this truth, Jesus also told us we have to keep the word before our eyes and in our ears, and get it in our heart.
Here is the simplicity if Genesis statement of man's dominion is not true, throw the bible away, because none of it is.
Believe is what Jesus told us to do, and this word means to act as if it was true.
He also told us some would not believe it is very clear, it started in Genesis and is the same thru out the bible, you either believe or you don't, I didn't write that.
John 17:7 thy word is truth, means the absence of falsehood
Just HOW MUCH control does God have over everything?
Posted : 13 May, 2010 11:32 PM
SirJames:
I agree. God is sovereign over all His creation. And He allows us to make our own decisions. I have a question regarding your views of what "sovereign" means. When you say God is sovereign... do you mean "in control"? And if so, then what is the extent of that control, in your opinion? Is it so specific that God literally causes ALL things to happen (including our every action)? Because that is the impression I get from our conversations, but it just doesn't match up. If that were so, then that would mean that God makes people kill others. Or that God makes people sin. That just doesn't add up. Would you mind sharing, because I consider you a strong Christian, and I know that I've probably just misinterpreted some of your views. Just wanted to clarify. Thanks, man.
Just HOW MUCH control does God have over everything?
Posted : 14 May, 2010 04:55 AM
This is a wonderful passage in Ephesians chapter one verses 3-14 Garrett that demonstrates gods sovereignty
The apostle paul writes;3, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and blameless before Him, in love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself according to the kind intention of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace which He freely bestowed on us in the beloved, in Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses according to the riches of His grace which He lavished upon us. In all wisdom and insight, He made known to us the mystery of His will according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him, with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things upon the earth. In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ should be to the praise of His glory. In Him you also after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation, having also believed you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise who is given as a pledge of our inheritance with a view to the redemption of God's own possession to the praise of His glory."
This is one passage of scripture,not taken out of context,not some preacher saying this is what it means to me,but a self explanitory section of scripture.I dont see how you can draw any other conclusion,but that god chooses his own people out of the world for salvation,any choosing we do is because God changed our nature.
