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Posted : 3 May, 2010 08:03 AM

Does the Lord have a greater delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as He does in obeying the voice of the Lord?



Behold (look), to obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed (listen) is better than the sacrifice of fat rams



For REBELLION is just as the sin of WITCHCRAFT, and STUBBORNNESS is just as INIQUITY (IWCKEDNESS) AND IDOLATRY(IDLE WORSHIP/SELF WORSHIP).... I Samuel chapter 15



DEFINITIONS FYI:



REBELLION: Open resistance to authority. a defiance of or opposition to any control. seeking one own way.



STUBBORNNESS: Refusing to yeild, obey, or comply, resisting, doggedly, determined, obstinate, hard to handle or deal with.



WITCHCRAFT: the practice of magic, sorcery, wizadery, dealing with evil spirits or the devil, magical influence over or fascination, or to gain control over.



IDOLATRY: The worship of idols, things, people, self. excessive or undiscerning admiration or veneration, blind infatustion, blind devotion.



For the LUSTS OF THE FLESH ARE:

IDOLATRY,

SORCERY,

HATRED,

CONTENTIONS,

JEALOUSIES,

OUTBUSTS OF WRATH(ANGER)

SELFISH AMBITIONS,

DISSENSIONS,

HERESIES,

ENVY,

MURDERS (WHICH PHYSICLLY OR SPIRITUALLY MURDERING SOMEONE WITH YOUR MOUTH),

REVELRIES,

and the likes if which I tell you before hand, just as I also told you in times past, that those who PRACTICE such things WILL NOT INHEIRT THE KINGDOM OF GOD. Galatians chapter5.



URGENT!

uh... (clearing my throat...cough cough...may I have your attention plwweease: Have you seen anyone fiting the above descriptions or who is practicing any of the above?.... if you should see anyone fitting the above, or know of anyone practicing such... plwweease ask them to call Jesus on the mainline, HE's waiting to hear from them. Its a matter of life and death!... the call is free...



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Posted : 3 May, 2010 08:24 AM

In an post you told me you have no idea where I am going with my post. I have often felt the same with you and just did not comment.I believe we are in 2 different worlds. How we look at issues? I have never understood your points. are you too techinical???????????? Where are we missing here? I have any age range. Dennis

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Posted : 3 May, 2010 08:52 AM

So was Jesus sinning when He was calling the Pharisees name? "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!" ...�Woe to you, blind guides...Fools and blind...For you are like whitewashed tombs...full of dead men�s bones...

A lot of people will be shocked Jesus was not some soft preacher preaching love and unity. He even said I came to divide not bring peace.

Was Paul sinning when he call people names? Beware of dogs...there are some good name calling in Acts I just couldn't find it right off.

Was Elijah sinning when he was calling the profits of Baal names? What about Jeremiah, Isiah, and many others in the Bible.

When you plead and plead with someone who will not listen and they still spew out their heresies doing a little name calling is Biblical done with right heart and motive.

�Woe to you, blind guides...we have some here

Just "speaking the truth in love!"



One question, how can a woman be the husband of one wife? I really want to know and no one seems to have an answer for me.

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Posted : 3 May, 2010 10:23 AM

DarrellO,



I think you will find your answer to the very question you ask : How can a woman be the husband to one wife?



The answer would rather be found when you can answer the question: how can a man be the husband of divorce of one, two, three, four, or five wives, plus a woman on the side, and be a preacher/ pastor/mnister/deacon/elder of God?... when you can answer this question, then you will be enlightened and find your answer to what is written: let the man of God be the husband of ONE WIFE ...:peace:



Where does spiritual wisdom, knowledge and understanding come into play regarding rebellion, witchcraft, and stubborness?...



Sorry, But I didn't write I Samuel chapter 15, or Galatians chapter 5, Sure Wish I could get credit for writing or saying these things, but God beat me to it. :yay: PRAISE GOD!...

And I can't even sue Him for copyright infringement:ROFL:



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Posted : 3 May, 2010 01:55 PM

Hey Darrell, I think that name calling should be the exception, not the rule. In thinking about when name calling was done in the Bible, I would say that, when done appropriately:

1. It was done in love, not malice.

2. There were no sinful motivation.

3. It's purpose was not to insult or make fun of.

4. It was done to apply a "label," if you will, to identify a person or group as not being one of God's chosen, a follower, etc... with the purpose of maintaining the integrity of God's name and thereby bringing glory to Him. We can also add on there that it was a way of warning believers, with the purpose of keeping them inside of the will of God.

5. It was not all that was said. I'm really spacing out right now... haha... But it seems like there was usually some kind of teaching or instruction to go along with it.

We should also keep in mind that this was not Jesus's primary way of communicating to people or of showing His love or character. When we flip through the Bible, we're not seeing name calling in every paragraph. There are so many ways that God spoke to people, either directly, through Christ, or through His followers, and name calling is only one of those.

We could look at the Sermon on the Mount as a good example, I think. There's some name calling in there (hypocrites, wolves, foolish), but the name calling isn't what we take away from the teaching. We don't get to the end of it and think, "Wow, Jesus sure did a lot of name calling there." (At least I hope that's not what most people learn from that!!) What we ought to notice (among many, many things) is that Jesus is ministering to people in love and speaking a lot of wisdom. And I think that those things are more plentiful than the name calling.

Now, if someone were to click the "History" link below your name/picture, Darrell, and read through all of your posts, what are they going to take away from your words?? I would encourage you to really think about that. And if you want some honest feedback, feel free to message me =)

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Posted : 3 May, 2010 02:08 PM

That one I understand Ella. I agree he is a wisecracker.Why are making these wisecracks Darrello?Is it funny that I do not understand someone elses views? What is your point here?I recently wrote about letting things go and moving on, Are you able to do that? By mocking Ella or me for asking her to explain better is that funny? Grow up pal. Dennis

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Posted : 3 May, 2010 03:58 PM

Dennis,

Please don't think that I overlooked or tried to slight you or your question. I thought i would give you an opportunity to ponder the post and it will come to you, as well as it will become clear to others who may not know or understand.



Watch and see, when I explain it to you, you're going to go, "Get out of here, this is what I thought you meant." lol.



When you look at the definition (I'll try not take long, lol)... anyway, I posted the definitions of stubborness, rebellion, and witchcraft.



God says, rebellion is as (just the same,equal to) the sin as witchcraft... why is this? Well, take a look at the definitions of rebellion and witchcraft.



a rebellious person is one who is defiante, opposes authority, refuse to be told what to do, and seek control. This is a demonic spirit from the devil over this person spirit in control of his/her behavior, whether they are christian or nonchristain. Paul say its a lust of the flesh seeking to be a law unto themselves, which is not of God, it is self-seeking which is a selfish ambition to be in power over a situation or a another person. Having a need to be in charge of or control of another person or situation, a rebellious person has no place in his/her life for humility, until he/she has been convert fully...



Witchcraft is magic, sorcery( which is a demonic spirit of the devil) seeking to be in control, power and authority over a person or sitiuation, a flattering unclean spirit which takes control over the person who seeks his/her own way, making the person feel and think they have power and are in control and in the right. Witchcraft is the working of demonic powers in a person or over a person, in an attenpt to change an out come to fit what the person desires.



Stubbornness is the same sin as iniquity (wickedness, an evil demonic spirit) because it is idol worship of one's self and desires to be like Burgerking, have it your own way regardless of the truth in front of you. So God calls it idolatry. Which is a sin of self worship, lust of the flesh, refusing to yield to another or take responsibility for one's own bad behavior or cause of a situation.



therefore, in short, you have a rebellious person working witchcraft on his/her own self, because he/she is going against the grains of what is truth before them, in an effort to make things go their way and be on control or charge in a situation or over a person.



A stubborn (stiffnecked, hardheaded) person worshipping him/her self, as an evil doer of wickedness(iniquity) refusing adhere or heed the things taht are proper and orderly according to what is right, and feels a need to stand hard against correction, no matter what is before them as being true.



Therefore, Paul says in his writings that these things, and those who practice these things are feeding the lusts of the flesh with their unrighteousness, and this is not of God nor does it show the person as being fully convert, where he/she is walking in the Holy Spirit, character or personality of Christ. And these behaviors are sins, because they are of the devil and not of God. Thus, the person who is NOT spiritually converted, and who practice these things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Nothing unclean of a demonic spirit will inherit the kingdom of God, as it is written.



I tried to make it short, hope this helps you as well as others who may not understand.



BTW, don't feel bad in what Darrell said, he didn't understand either, and it showed in his comment, that's why he went south in his comment which had nothing to do with this thread



Dennis, Let not your heart be troubled, Darrell and many others speak many things and desire to be teachers of the word, but they understand neither what they say, nor can they affrim what they speak.:ROFL::dancingp::peace::bow:



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Posted : 3 May, 2010 04:25 PM

oooppps. that's suppose to read desiring to be like burgerking,,, have it your way..sorry

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Posted : 4 May, 2010 10:06 AM

Thank you Ella

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Posted : 4 May, 2010 11:03 AM

:applause::glow::angel::yay::rocknroll::peace::dancingp:.. I knew you would get it.:bow::bouncy:

I prayed for you yesterday and last night:prayingf:



Blessings from the Lord always,

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