"To deny Calvinism is to deny the Gospel" - Charles H. Spurgeon
"Arminianism is nothing more than transcendent atheism" - John Owen
"Calvinism proclaims a God who saves; Arminianism speaks of a God who enables man to save himself." - J.I.Packer
A simple reading of the Bible proclaims the doctrines of grace and if that is not enough (and it is for me) I can list hundreds even thousands of great theologians from the past, that were way smarter than all of us put together on these forums, that believed the doctrines of grace as described in Calvinism.
Fifty-four godly men translated the King James version of the Bible. Lancelot Andrews spoke Latin, Greek, Hebrew, Chaldee, Syriac, Arabic and at least fifteen other languages. Of the fifty-four translators, four were college presidents, six were bishops, five were deans, thirty held PhD�s, thirty-nine held Masters degrees, there were forty-one university professors, thirteen were masters of the Hebrew language, and ten had mastered Greek. Every man involved in the King James Bible translation believed in the verbal inspiration of the Scriptures, all believed in the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and all were men of prayer. Many were not only Biblical scholars and master linguists, but also God-called, Spirit-filled preachers.
The King James translation team was arguably the most scholarly men ever assembled for any similar endeavor.
Walter the fact you think you have found something in the Greek these men didn't see or know cracks me up big time!
PhillipJohn your uneducated rants expose you for what you are and the Christian in me keeps me from using a list of words on you that come to mind when describing the uneducated.
For me I'll stick to the Holy Spirit and the dead guys for clarity of understanding on theology from the scriptures.
Rather than follow the exodus away from these forums I have "chosen" to ignore the 2 men I have called out because it is a waste of time, unless I am looking for a good laugh then I'll read some of PJ's short off the wall comments that make little to no sense or applies to the thread he comments in.
The Bible is like a prisoner of war, you torcher it enough it will say what you want it to say.
First I would like to say, this is not about me one minute, I am secure in my Salvation.
But there are those that are not established in the truth, and the innocent need your protection.
These quotes sound so much like the voice in Genesis that spoke to Eve, God did not say.
The bible says we are not wrestling with flesh and blood but the spirit behind the man.
The voice that also Said i will exalt my throne above the throne of God.
But you Judge for yourself, you determine who is God, God himself or Calvin and men that say Calvinism is the way, because they have such titles of their accomplishments.
The man that the lord used to pen the majority of the New testament, was a very schooled man in his day, educated of men, but notice what he said concerning all his accomplishments.
Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
The point is not to belittle man's accomplishments, but all their earthly learning does not qualifty them to rewrite the word of God nor to be accreddited for it
According to these quotes Jesus is not enough, nor was the holy Spirit,
Until Calvinism came along men and women where in the dark,
PhillipJohn I got to ask! Are you short a couple of bricks or just plan stupid? If it is a mental disorder then accept my apologies if you are just stupid, well there is no cure for that so I still feel sorry for ya either way. :goofball:
You should learn the golden art of silence, it will make you appear smarter. :dunce:
What is the intention of this thread? To make certain people down? To point at them with fingers and make us feel oh so much better and wiser?
Do not pay back same things with the same. You know where I stand in certain points discussed, but I absolutely detest a thread to make people down and call them stupid or whatever.
I agree with you,but this guy has called me of the devil and satan too many times!He needs to check himself,Ive said a lot of things on these posts but Ive never accused any body of being a satan follower!
I know what you mean, manofgod, but I wonder if it will lead anywhere. Pj is hard to deal with, right, but I think we still should try to get through to him and try to understand what he wants to say. Till now I get nothing from what he says than: My interpretation of the bible is the only tre one and all others are man's teachings...
He seems to be a bit proud of his bible knowledge (okay, who on earth does not have at least a bit of pride?) and he seems to think to be saved through his knowledge of the bible so he can know what he is to do in order to get saved. Maybe I get him wrong, that's why I keep talking with him, though it is hard, as said, to be called words again and again, but I think he does not realise that, possibly he's trying his best in his ways...
I have problems remaining relaxed when talking to him, but I still believe it is worth the effort. Maybe one day he will open up and speak with us and not only preach to us.
I know what you mean, manofgod, but I wonder if it will lead anywhere. Pj is hard to deal with, right, but I think we still should try to get through to him and try to understand what he wants to say. Till now I get nothing from what he says than: My interpretation of the bible is the only tre one and all others are man's teachings...
He seems to be a bit proud of his bible knowledge (okay, who on earth does not have at least a bit of pride?) and he seems to think to be saved through his knowledge of the bible so he can know what he is to do in order to get saved. Maybe I get him wrong, that's why I keep talking with him, though it is hard, as said, to be called words again and again, but I think he does not realise that, possibly he's trying his best in his ways...
I have problems remaining relaxed when talking to him, but I still believe it is worth the effort. Maybe one day he will open up and speak with us and not only preach to us.
Benny I do not interpret the bible, I believe it as the lord exhorts us to, know you say man can do nothing Good outside the holy spirits, help. so why would you say interpret the word, and where is the passage that says to interpret the word of God
When it comes to believing in light of the word, the bible is full of people that do just that. as it is full of those that choose to not believe or disobey.
I never said I am right but I do say the lord is right.
I find when people use the word interpret a lot they also apply it to what others say.
For example you can post a scripture or scriptures, and then some will say you say,
How is posting scripture saying the bible I never wrote it?
1 � Brethren, my heart�s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God�s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 � For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
For instance this passage is very clear on how a man is to be saved, I believe it, plain and simple.
The bible is clear man has his part in accepting salvation,
then those who do not agree with the word, twist it and say you believe you save yourself,
Find one time where I have said that, you can not do it.
Should I not be confident in whom I believe, Confidence is not arrogance.
Benny so would you say the actions of this post, are one that potrays a christian.
I am not going to apoligize for believeing the lord according to his word
Please, do me a favor and tell me a definition of "to interpret". Because I think we are talking about two different things here and thus not understanding one another. So let's first get an agreement on what we mean with "interpreting", okay?
