I am pan trib. Whatever happenss is fine with me. I lean more towards post trib, but I believe we will be protected through the tribulation. Those who keep the commandments and have the testimony of Yeshua.
I dont think or worry bout it much...I jus do as Jesus says...watch...be ready...
Luke 21:25 And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and waves roaring...
There is only one correct view that the Bible clearly supports and that is Post-Trib., Pre-Millennial.
FACT: The Pre-Trib Rapture theory was invented in the very late 1700s and later promoted by John Nelson Darby in 1835 AD. So it is a modern invention. There is absolutely no Historical Church evidence that anyone ever taught or believed in this Pre-Trib theory prior to the late 1700s.
There are absolutely no scriptures that support the Pre-Trib position.
All the Early Church Fathers that discussed the issue of the "End Times" clearly said that Christ's Church would be put to flight by the Antichrist. They said Christians would be persecuted by the Antichrist. The Ante-Nicene Fathers all held to a Post-Trib., Pre-Millennial view.
Let's briefly look at what the scriptures clearly tell us.
In 1 Cor 15:50-54, one of the most famous Rapture passages, Paul discusses the Resurrection and the Rapture. In verse 54 he plainly states that this event does not occur UNTIL an Old Testament Prophesy is fulfilled. "Death is swallowed up in victory". That is a quote from Isaiah 25:8 which this event occurs at the beginning of the Millennial Kingdom. Paul placed the Resurrection AND Rapture at the beginning of the Millennial Kingdom which is Post-Tribulational.
In 1 Thess 4:13-18, another famous Rapture passage, Paul describes the events of the Resurrection and Rapture, stating that the Resurrection of the Dead in Christ occurs PRIOR to the Rapture. He describes the event but does not give the time line as to when this occurs. BUT as Paul continues this discourse in chapt 5:1-2 he then explains WHEN the Resurrection and Rapture occurs. He calls those events by a name the Early Christians and Messianic Jews were familiar with. "The Day of the Lord". He placed the Resurrection and Rapture as events that occur on "The Day of the Lord".
So when is the Day of the Lord?
In Acts 2:20 Peter states that "The Day of the Lord" occurs after "THE SUN AND MOON" signs occur.
When does the Sun and Moon signs occur?
According to Jesus, in Mat 24:29, He said that the Sun and Moon signs occur AFTER the Tribulation.
Another thing. In 1 Thess 4: 16 states that "The DEAD in Christ" will be resurrected FIRST, this means before the Rapture.
John the Apostle in Revelation 20:4-6 placed the Saints who are martyred during the Tribulation as being included in the FIRST Resurrection. Since the FIRST Resurrection includes Tribulation Saints, [the Dead in Christ], and Paul says that the Dead in Christ are Resurrected FIRST, before the Rapture, precludes any possibility of there being a Rapture before this Resurrection thereby again confirming what all the scriptures state in that the Rapture which follows the FIRST Resurrection is POST-Tribulational.
All other views are a lie and the father of all lies is Satan. False teachings originate from Satan. "Doctrines of Demons". Christians who believe in the Pre-Trib Rapture have been utterly deceived and are being set up for a big fall. The Pre-Trib Rapture theory tickles the ears of those who cannot endure sound Doctrine. It appeals to their flesh and they seek teachers who will teach and preach things that appeals to their flesh!
2Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
In 2 Thess Paul said that in the last days, the MAJORITY of Christians are going to commit Apostasy. This is a forfeiture of their salvation. 2Thes 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless THE FALLING AWAY [Apostasy] comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
Jesus said in Mat 24:12-13 that the MAJORITY of Christians love for God will wax cold. But only those whose faith will endure until the end will be saved.
Are False teachings the cause of this? More than likely. Some false teachings will cause a direct affect and other false teachings will cause an indirect affect on the faith of Christians.
Yeah...it's not really important, but I do believe God's people go through the tribulation. It may be like the 10 plagues falling on Egypt...the Israelites did not suffer through all the plagues, and I have no doubt that God will take care of His people.
How can you ignore clear scriptures that tell us when the Resurrection and Rapture occur? Show me where my exegesis is wrong. Please.
The Tribulation is not the wrath of God as Pre-Tribbers falsely claim. Stop listening to those preachers and read the word for yourself Phillip.
Look at the passage about God's wrath.
1Thess 5:1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you.
2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.
Notice that Paul just called the events of chapter FOUR...the Resurrection and Rapture..."The DAY of the Lord". So the context is THAT DAY.
3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.
4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
I want to interject here because this statement is something that originated with Jesus concerning His coming as a thief. See Mat 24:43 which is the Olivet discourse and about Jesus' POST-Trib return.
5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober.
Paul was reminding the Thessalonians of something Jesus had taught. See Mat 24, and what Peter said...Acts 2:20.
Notice that Paul in the above passage not only told his readers to WATCH for The Day of the Lord but he included himself within that text...by using the pronoun 'US". Let US WATCH and be sober.
7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night.
8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation.
Now here is the verse you are hanging on to that you think somehow overrides all the rapture passages that tell us that it occurs POST-Trib.
***9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.
11 Therefore comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing. NKJV
Verse 9 is a verse about SALVATION? Those of us who are Christians and endure in our faith until the end will be saved and spared God's wrath. Does this mean or imply that we have to be removed from the Earth in order for God to spare us? What about the Hebrews in Egypt when God poured out his wrath on Egypt? Did God remove them or merely protected them THROUGH His wrath?
Besides Phillip, the Tribulation is not about God's wrath but about Satan's wrath on God's children. God is going to have His church refined and sifted out like dross in silver. Only the true and pure faithful will ultimately be saved.
If you examine Revelation you will also see that God does SELECTIVELY attack the throne of the Antichrist and those who take the "Mark of the beast".
It's not really important?! Are you kidding me Brother? Why do you think that God spent so much time in giving us so much scripture relating to "End Times" if it was not important. It is very important my Friend!
It's not important to my salvation...is what I meant. Knowledge of the tribulation doesn't save me. I just need to follow Christ. Don't have to worry about anything if I can do that.
