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nothing you did(including choosing god)Posted : 10 Apr, 2010 05:54 AMPaul teaches clearly that it is only when salvation is attributed to undeserved election that we can know god saves who he wills of his own good pleasure.he is under obligation to no one.When paul states that we werre "chosen in christ before the foundation of the world (eph.1,4)he makes it clear that there is no regard for our own worth.We were adopted into heavenly inheritance in christ because in ourselves we are incapable of such attainment.Elsewhere he tells the collossians to give thanks that they had been made fit to share in the inheritance of the saints(col.1;12) If election comes before the divine grace wich makes us fit for immortal life,what does god see in us to persuade him to elect us?Another passage makes this even clearer.God "chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight.In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through jesus christ,in accordance with his pleasure and will(eph.1;4-5)good works are never taken into account.Paul makes this clear.God has saved us and called us to a holy life-not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace.this grace was given us in christ jesus before the beginning of time (2 Tim.1;9) |
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nothing you did(including choosing god)Posted : 10 Apr, 2010 11:02 AMI wish to say without malice calvinism and the Gospel of the lord Jesus Christ are not in agreement |
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nothing you did(including choosing god)Posted : 10 Apr, 2010 05:32 PMso philipjohn what is different about you from the athiest or the muslim that you were wiser,or right place right time,or was there something better or special in you that made you respond to the gospel while your neighbor did not?' |
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nothing you did(including choosing god)Posted : 10 Apr, 2010 05:32 PMso philipjohn what is different about you from the athiest or the muslim that you were wiser,or right place right time,or was there something better or special in you that made you respond to the gospel while your neighbor did not?' |
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nothing you did(including choosing god)Posted : 10 Apr, 2010 06:30 PMI agree with you manofgod. It was never my choice to choose the Lord, but He chose me. I couldn't do anything about it for good or bad, and I do not care about this being branded Calvinism, Lutheranism or Orthodoxism or whatever. It is how I have experienced it, it is what I read in the bible and I do not see ny reason to presume that I could do anything about being saved, be it good deeds or only the one thing to chose God myself. |
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nothing you did(including choosing god)Posted : 10 Apr, 2010 08:10 PMamen brother.....and I do not condemn the arminians for their veiws or judge them in any way.this is not my place.i only say what im compelled by god to say.I dont like titles,calvin did not invent grace.nor did augustine or Luther.Jesus Christ invented grace.The bible is full of these passages.I find them extremely wonderful,I would not want any part of my salvation left up to me,i would just screw it up!If it were possible to fall away,I would most likely do that..When I wander...god pulls me back..sifts me like Wheat..not with out pain many times!Praise god that ,for whatever reason,Im his sheep..amen |
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nothing you did(including choosing god)Posted : 12 Apr, 2010 02:17 PMFriends I agree with a little of what you said.We all are chosen, but we have the choice to reject christ. I choose christ, jesus as my lord. |
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nothing you did(including choosing god)Posted : 13 Apr, 2010 12:22 AMHi Dennis, |
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nothing you did(including choosing god)Posted : 13 Apr, 2010 01:12 AMIt is very simple Benny, you say as you have many times to the word on this forum the bible is dead, that is a perfect example of rejecting him. |
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nothing you did(including choosing god)Posted : 13 Apr, 2010 02:01 AMSorry PhillipJohn, to be so harsh now, but you keep attacking me and I am close to feeling offended: |
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nothing you did(including choosing god)Posted : 13 Apr, 2010 06:21 AMNot at all, I just answered what you said, nobody is trying to hurt anybody, the word of God is the same in every country, every nation, every tongue. |
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