Author	Thread: ELO� ELO� LAMA SABACHTANI
SOS4EMAILFRIEND View Profile History	ELO� ELO� LAMA SABACHTANI Posted : 30 Mar, 2010 07:21 PM INTRODUCTION Before Happy Easter, christianity worldwide experiences the most bitter and traumatic event in their religion. The crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Many rather skip this Friday as it is so very painful and sad. But the Gospel does extensively describe it. Just before dying, Jesus cried out these words : Eli Eli lama sabachtani. [Matt 27:46 and Marc 15:34] My question is: why did Jesus say this? I could give you my personal view or some options but I prefer to leave it fully open. I herewith invite you to give YOUR opinion. WHY DID JESUS SAY THESE WORDS? Please feel free to participate. Post Reply
View Profile History	ELO� ELO� LAMA SABACHTANI Posted : 30 Mar, 2010 08:25 PM Jesus is quoting from the beginning of Psalm 22 which is a prophetic Psalm about the Messiah. These verses specifically describe the events of His crucifixion. Those who mocked Him are spoken of, the agony of His bones and tissue separating as the nails are driven in and as he hangs on the cross. Even the soldiers gambling over His robe is spoken of. I believe Jesus quoted this Scripture as His last plea for the Jews to believe He is their Messiah. They should have been able to put the events they were witnessing together with this Psalm but because they were more interested in their religion than in understanding Scripture they did not recognize it. I think this is a great illustration to us as we need to stop and think about whether or not we are so religious that we fail to recognize Jesus even when He is standing right in front of us and saying, " I am here. I am your Messiah. You look but do not see. You need me but you do not call on me. I call to you but you do not hear. I love you but you don't know me." Thunder Post Reply
View Profile History	ELO� ELO� LAMA SABACHTANI Posted : 30 Mar, 2010 09:37 PM The phrase ELO� ELO� LAMA SABACHTANI, means my god why has thou forsaken me. Jesus said this becuase he was the final and ultimate sacrificial lamb. In the old testament god commanded the isrealites to use animals to get forgiveness for sins. Jesus had to die for the sins of the entire world. God can not even look upon sin as it represents mankinds choice to go against the laws god has set forth, he literally will not look upon pure sin and removes his presence from the person. Many people even christians do not know the moment god removes part of himself from them due to sin, rebelion and such. Jesus did know he was so intune with the heavenly father that he heard his voice in every and anything he was doing. Jesus beared the sins of the world which is why god removed his entire presence from him, and Jesus knew the second he did it, which is why Jesus died and went to hell even though he had not physically commited sin, the entire burden of sin was on him so gods presence was removed from him. This is why he said what he said. Post Reply
View Profile History	ELO� ELO� LAMA SABACHTANI Posted : 30 Mar, 2010 11:30 PM Kingdom took the words right out of my mouth. :angel: Jesus bore the weight of the sins of the world, and God could not look upon sin. Post Reply
View Profile History	ELO� ELO� LAMA SABACHTANI Posted : 31 Mar, 2010 05:26 AM Thunder is right on the money. This was the last great clue Jesus gave before he died that He was the Messiah. The Jews being a religious people, knew the scripture by heart. By quoting the scripture Jesus reminded those listening that He was the Messiah! In that time you didn't quote "Psalm 22:3". And it wasn't necassary for Jesus to qoute the entire passage. But by qouting the very beggining the Jews around listening would have been reminded of scripture. Also, it had nothing to do with "God cannot look upon sin." It was simply a prophetic Psalm coming to pass. Post Reply
View Profile History	ELO� ELO� LAMA SABACHTANI Posted : 31 Mar, 2010 08:37 AM bob oh boy you all hit it right on.Dennis Post Reply
View Profile History	ELO� ELO� LAMA SABACHTANI Posted : 31 Mar, 2010 07:05 PM TOG was correct as well, jesus was fufilling scripture when he said what he said but, the reson he said it was because gods presence had left him when he was on the cross. Post Reply
View Profile History	ELO� ELO� LAMA SABACHTANI Posted : 31 Mar, 2010 10:29 PM How do you bring that together with the idea of trinity? Just curious, maybe there is not a logical explaination, needn't be anyway... Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	ELO� ELO� LAMA SABACHTANI Posted : 31 Mar, 2010 10:43 PM I think edw hit it.....Jesus was perfect, but for that moment in time He was carrying every sin in the universe and God had to remove His presence from Him...even if Jesus was not responsible them. I don't think "Jesus/God" in His humanity even knew for sure that His sacrifice would work, otherwise He would not have prayed for the incident to go away...so it may have been a surprise that God appeared to abandon Him for a moment. I don't really know though...just thinking out loud... :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	ELO� ELO� LAMA SABACHTANI Posted : 1 Apr, 2010 03:44 AM I alsways thought of Him praying because of the plain fear of pain and death... not becaue He wouldn't have been sure of this al working... as well, just thinking loud... Post Reply
SOS4EMAILFRIEND View Profile History	ELO� ELO� LAMA SABACHTANI Posted : 1 Apr, 2010 01:22 PM Thank you all for your sharing your views on this issue. I think we all agree with Thunder. I am also sure that this insight is not so commonly known. So thank you Thunder. As to sin being the motive for God "leaving" Jesus. I have heard this also many times in churches. It sounds reasonable looking at christian dogma. But it also rises questions about the trinity-concept. Maybe we should debate a little more about this. What do you think? Could God have left Jesus alone in this so agonizing moment because of the fact that all our sins were loaded upon Jesus and God turns away from sin. Jesus, always aware of the presence of His Father, notices this immediately and cries out these words? Or is there another explanation? Post Reply

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