Author	Thread: Examples of believing the Word or Interpretation by man
Admin	Examples of believing the Word or Interpretation by man Posted : 12 Feb, 2010 02:04 AM In Acts 2:4 What is the subject matter? I realize this is a controversial subject and I think we can use this topic to make a good point! Post Reply
klmartin62 View Profile History	Examples of believing the Word or Interpretation by man Posted : 12 Feb, 2010 02:51 AM I'm not skeered, I'll tackle it. LOL. I think you could have found almost anything that would be less controversial. The main subject being discussed here is the coming to earth of the Holy Spirit. Secondary to that is the speaking in the Pentecostal tongue. This was quite different than what some groups would have you believe. This was not some "unknown" language, but one that was understood by everyone, regardless of their place of birth. This tongue has been spoken of throughout the bible. First being discussed in Gen. 11 in the story of the tower of Babel, then in the Joel Prophesy that Peter quoted to the unbelievers, again in Zeph. 3:9, and finally here in Acts 2 and 1 Cor. 14. I know there are many who have been taught differently, I myself went to a Pentecostal Bible College, so you can imagine the arguments I had. However, by being true to the word, I won the respect of my teachers and most of them still call to discuss theology with me. I have even won over some converts from among them. I do believe that some people are given this gift, but that it is nowhere near as common as is claimed. If people do not understand what you are saying, it most likely is not the real thing. Otherwise it serves no purpose. God does not give gifts that serve no purpose. Many blessings, Leon Post Reply
View Profile History	Examples of believing the Word or Interpretation by man Posted : 12 Feb, 2010 11:02 AM I believe what you said is partially true, but if you come back fresh as if you never heard an man given explanation, you surely would come to another conclusion. Post Reply
klmartin62 View Profile History	Examples of believing the Word or Interpretation by man Posted : 12 Feb, 2010 03:55 PM I was raised Baptist and trained Pentecostal, this was my own interpretation. It is the conclusion I arrived at without outside help. It took me a while, but I learned that at least as much as our bible teachers have right, they have wrong. I decided to take the bible alone. None of man's teachings or traditions will influence me unless it is a scripture concerning social traditions. I am not trying to pat myself on the back or anything, it was just a long road getting to this point.I have spent thousands of hours in prayer and study, and still try to spend at least 8 hours a day in them. While that still does not make me right and someone else wrong, it does let me notice if some teachings are wrong. I don't have it all right and probably never will, but we only have to believe. The rest just keeps us digging. LOL. Blessings, Leon Post Reply
View Profile History	Examples of believing the Word or Interpretation by man Posted : 12 Feb, 2010 04:17 PM Well as a spirit filled believer I humbly say you are wrong and Jesus is correct. Post Reply
View Profile History	Examples of believing the Word or Interpretation by man Posted : 12 Feb, 2010 06:37 PM No Photo Yet View Profile History Examples of believing the Word or Interpretation by man Posted : 12 Feb, 2010 02:51 AM I'm not skeered, I'll tackle it. LOL. I think you could have found almost anything that would be less controversial. The main subject being discussed here is the coming to earth of the Holy Spirit. Secondary to that is the speaking in the Pentecostal tongue. This was quite different than what some groups would have you believe. This was not some "unknown" language, but one that was understood by everyone, regardless of their place of birth. According to the bible the holy spirit was already on the earth: Lu 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother�s womb. Lu 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, Joh 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: This scripture exposes all the lies about the second chapter of Acts. The disciples that where any the upper room had already been born again according to this scripture. The answer to the question starts in the gospels: Mt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Mr 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Lu 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: Joh 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. This scripture points out something most do not acknowledge, The Holy Spirit Within The Holy Spirit upon Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. This scriptures speaks volumes to me, It is better for us that Jesus go away, why that we might receive the Holy Spirit 4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. The bible refers to the baptism with the soon coming baptism of the spirit, remember this people had already received the holy spirit 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. couple points here to make here why the baptism, the power to be a witness unto Jesus the spirit upon the believers, the same as the spirt came upon Jesus for power, the anointing 1 � And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. The day of pentecost was the promise of the father being that he would pour out his spirit upon all flesh According to the bible the topic is being filled with the holy spirit, receiving the holy spirit, and the baptism of the spirit and fire, when the believers where filled they spoke in other tongues. clearly points out a dual dispensation of the holy spirit, and when believers receive the holy spirit, they speak with new tongues, this is not the gift of tongues, but it is refered to as the gift of the holy spirit. Praying in tongues and the gift of tongues are to different topics. Post Reply
klmartin62 View Profile History	Examples of believing the Word or Interpretation by man Posted : 12 Feb, 2010 07:44 PM Praying in tongues and the gift of tongues are to different topics. Yeah, I have heard that, but the Bible doesn't say it. I do believe there is a difference between the indwelling Spirit that lives in you when you get saved and the Spirit of the Lord coming upon you for a purpose, just like in the quotes you used. I will not say more because this really isn't important and it gets people upset. If praying in tongues makes you feel closer to God, then get on with it. Blessings, Leon Post Reply
View Profile History	Examples of believing the Word or Interpretation by man Posted : 12 Feb, 2010 07:49 PM It is very important, because without the holy spirit you dont have the power, but then again I guess Jesus lied, The bible gives it least reasons a believer should pray in tongues, there is a vast difference, between praying in tongues and the bible does say it. Nobody is trying to get anybody upset, the word of God brings liberty not bondage. Post Reply
klmartin62 View Profile History	Examples of believing the Word or Interpretation by man Posted : 12 Feb, 2010 08:10 PM I am not upset, nor am I likely to get that way. Remember, I went to a Pentecostal Bible College, there is not a single verse you can show me that actually says what y'all claim it does. Yes, I know them all. Show me one purpose for praying in tongues. Not that typical building yourself up stuff, but a real reason God w2ould want a language that no one understands. God can read your thoughts, so just praying in your mind to Him solves all the overheard prayer stuff and hiding prayers from Satan. No one likes to be wrong, but what you are teaching makes no sense. It never has. However, other than the pride and look-at-me factor, it is harmless. In my opinion you might as well kick the wall as pray in tongues, it will accomplish the same thing. Blessings, Leon Post Reply
View Profile History	Examples of believing the Word or Interpretation by man Posted : 12 Feb, 2010 08:17 PM In the case you do not believe what you read it is very simple, nobody is trying to intimidate. Post Reply
klmartin62 View Profile History	Examples of believing the Word or Interpretation by man Posted : 12 Feb, 2010 11:58 PM In the case you do not believe what you read it is very simple, nobody is trying to intimidate. LOL. If the bible actually said that, I would be right there with you. Sadly, the truth is, the bible does not say anything like that without twisting the scriptures. It is one of those things....people believe what they were originally taught with very few exceptions. I am not intimidated by message boards. I pray God gives you eyes to see. Be blessed brother. Leon Post Reply

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