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Admin	Which laws are Christians excused from keeping? Posted : 10 Feb, 2010 06:55 AM Which laws and commandments are Christians exempt from keeping? The modern religious idea that grace replaces the law because Jesus nailed them to the cross and did away with them presents some problems... Example..I would never even think about doing this but If I suddenly decide to knock off the local convience store because I need money and because of the the hidden camera I am identified and locked up in jail, If I explain to the judge that Jesus freed me from having to keep the law against stealing because Jesus replaced the law with grace stand up in court? Of course everyone knows the outcome of something like this.So obeying the law gives freedom! James 2:8-13 "If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, 'Love your neighbour as yourself,' you are doing right. But if you show favouritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as law-breakers. For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. For he who said, 'Do not commit adultery,' also said, 'Do not murder.' If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a law-breaker. Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment !" So all the ten commandments comes as a package together, You break one you break them all! Matt.7:21-23,Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord,will enter the kingdom of heaven,but only he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven, Many will say to Me on that day,Lord, Lord,did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?Then I will say to them plainly,I never knew you, Away from Me you evildoers! Greek,{anomia} same word used in 1 John 3:4 EVERYONE WHO SINS BREAKS THE LAW..For sin is lawlessness,Greek{anomia} Strong's Concordance #G458. anomia, an-om-ee'-ah; from G459 (without law, lawless); illegality, i.e. violation of law or (gen.) wickedness:--iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law, unrig Rev.22:12-14, And behold I come quickly;And My reward is with me,to give every man according as his work shall be I am Alpha and O-meg-a,the Beginning and the End,the First and the Last.Blessed are they who do His commandments,that they might have right to the tree of life,and may enter through the gates to the city,For without are dogs,and sorcerers and whoremongers,and murderers,and idolaters,and whoever loveth and maketh a lie! {KJV}Brethern this is commandment breaking! When you say "Sin" is lawlessness, you are talking about an attitude towards "law", an attitude of rejecting "law", even if you are not breaking the letter of the "law." In essence, what the Apostle John was saying in 1 John 3:4 was that sin is missing the mark which is an attitude of lawlessness. If we have an attitude or frame of mind of "contempt" for law then we are missing the mark. 2.) The second New Testament definition of "sin" comes from the Apostle James: "Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin" (James 4:17 KJV). Sin is not doing the good that we know we should do. The more we know, the more accountable we are to God and the more God expects of us. Are there things that we should be doing and we are not doing, such as: controlling our tempers, our lusts, our eating to much, our bringing every thought under control and not saying things that we shouldn't? Post Reply
klmartin62 View Profile History	Which laws are Christians excused from keeping? Posted : 10 Feb, 2010 07:44 AM Let's start with the James scripture that is so misinterpreted these days. This is the scripture used to promote the idea that all sin is equal. If I am walking down the street and decide to cut across mid block, I am guilty of a crime called jay walking. I have transgressed the law just like someone murdering another has transgressed the law. It does not mean that jay walking and murder are the same thing. It just means that both of us are lawbreakers. Jas 2:12 So speak and do as those who shall be judged by the Law of liberty Our liberty is in Christ. He fulfilled the law of sin and death. Or don't you think that you would be forgiven for your transgression if you truly repented? Now, why do people always use the same absurd examples when arguing this subject? Do you honestly know anyone who is truly saved who would behave in the manner you described? Of course not! That would be impossible. That is why there is no salvation without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. He makes such things as absurd as this scenario you have come up with here. I don't believe for a moment that you, or any true believer, is capable of such a thing. We are no longer under the law because we no longer need it. We have the Holy Spirit to guide us and teach us. The law is for unbelievers, the Spirit is for believers. Blessings, Leon Post Reply
View Profile History	Which laws are Christians excused from keeping? Posted : 10 Feb, 2010 10:33 AM Hi Ron, I agree with you in that God's "Moral Principles" are still in force however "The LAW/Mosaic Covenant" was completely replaced with the New Covenant of Grace. If you would go to the thread about the Mosaic Covenant you will see this discussion going on. Col 2:14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Blessings! Walter Post Reply
View Profile History	Which laws are Christians excused from keeping? Posted : 11 Feb, 2010 06:19 AM I feel that the law of circumscion was done away with. Also, man added laws on to gods word. These are issues that Jesus then Paul dealt with. Peter had a problem with socializing with gentile believers. Dennis Post Reply
View Profile History	Which laws are Christians excused from keeping? Posted : 11 Feb, 2010 11:23 AM Hi Dennis, Actually it was not just the law of circumcision but the entire Mosaic Covenant, all 613 laws that was abolished, made obsolete and replaced by the New Covenant of Grace. Blessings! Walter Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Which laws are Christians excused from keeping? Posted : 11 Feb, 2010 01:47 PM Pretty sure the whole law was summed up into two points. I'm also pretty sure we all know what those two points are. If we truly love our neighbor as ourselves, we kinda have to be keeping the law indirectly...and if we truly love God with all our hearts, we kinda have to be keeping the law indirectly too. Which law? Not the one that includes circumcision and sacrifices, that's for sure. The one that was around before humans were, and the one we'll be keeping in heaven. We won't be sacrificing animals in heaven...those laws were for a purpose, but the purpose has been fulfilled at the cross...literally nailed to it. Most of the mosaic law was prophetic, or meant to instill faith in things to come. Object lessons basically. The rest of the mosaic law was for the administration of a theistic "secular" government. However, I do believe God's moral law was in the mosaic law....obviously...and I don't think that it will ever go away. In the future, if someone sins in heaven, they will be another "Satan". There will still be a law in heaven, we just won't be under it unless we sin. I know that sin won't rise a second time...I'm just saying that the moral law is immortal. There is an example for every being in the universe that sin is a horrible thing, and that God has infinite love for us. Won't ever happen again. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Which laws are Christians excused from keeping? Posted : 12 Feb, 2010 03:21 AM "Give to Cesar what is Cesar's.... Give To God What Is Gods" Pretty much sums it all up in my estimation.... I can walk into the judge and say I'm saved by grace... But the judge is still going to give me five to ten for armed robbery..... Post Reply
View Profile History	Which laws are Christians excused from keeping? Posted : 12 Feb, 2010 11:20 AM Which laws are Christians excused from keeping? Any and all laws of man that contradicts God's Laws. ;-) Blessings! Walter Post Reply
View Profile History	Which laws are Christians excused from keeping? Posted : 13 Feb, 2010 10:12 AM Oooooooooo!! Walter.....you bring up a very good point!! Ok, I know we're supposed to obey "mans laws" which I'm connecting to our local, state and federal laws. So, what about the death penalty? (with a quizzical look on my face, lol!) T Post Reply
View Profile History	Which laws are Christians excused from keeping? Posted : 13 Feb, 2010 11:09 AM Hi Tandy, The death penalty is not a contradiction of God's laws. We as individuals have a right to take a life in defense of our own or others. That is Biblical. When God said "Thou shalt not kill". The word "kill" here is referring to "murder", a premeditated killing without justification of defense. It is not merely taking a life. As a corporate body of Citizens we have enacted laws for the protection and punishment of those who would do us harm. Our Government is not a theocracy but a... well...suppose to be a Republic. As such the laws apply equally to everyone...or suppose to. When someone commits a criminal act they are well aware of what they are doing and the consequences of their actions should they get caught. If someone murders someone they understand they can also be put to death should a jury find them guilty and impose such a penalty. Let me give you an interesting quote from one of our Founding Fathers. "I know, sir, how well it becomes a liberal man and a Christian to forget and forgive. As individuals professing a holy religion, it is our bounden duty to forgive injuries done us as individuals. But when the character of Christian you add the character of patriot, you are in a different situation. Our mild and holy system of religion inculcates an admirable maxim of forbearance. If your enemy smite one cheek, turn the other to him. But you must stop there. You cannot apply this to your country. As members of a social community, this maxim does not apply to you. When you consider injuries done to your country your political duty tells you of vengeance. Forgive as a private man, but never forgive public injuries. Observations of this nature are exceedingly unpleasant, but it is my duty to use them." --Patrick Henry I have to completely agree with Patrick Henry. Blessings! Walter Post Reply
View Profile History	Which laws are Christians excused from keeping? Posted : 13 Feb, 2010 03:16 PM Wow! Most of what you said mimicks what I posted on another thread! :) And I like that quote.. Thank you for sharing!! I know this sounds hypocritical, but I think I, personally, would have a hard time being a member on the "death team" (or so it's called at the maximum security prison in KY). They have several different people that perform a specific job each time there is an execution. I wouldn't want to start the IV or be one that pushes a button (there are three, only the head electrician knows which one actually starts the lethal injection process). As long as I never become an employee of the Dept of Corrections, I'll be ok, but I'm sure if I had to, He'd give me the strength and wisdom! Thank you Walter!! :) T Post Reply