In the book Beyond Star Wars, A free downloadable book from Triumph Prophetic Ministries is a remarkable and intresting bible story of Gods creation from the beginning...
In the pages of Genesis, as it relates to the original creation of the universe, we read the simple, matter-of-fact statement: "In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth" (Genesis 1:1, King James Version). The Amplified Bible renders this verse: "In the beginning God (prepared, formed, fashioned) and created the heavens and the earth." The Good News Bible states: "In the beginning, when
God created the universe. . ." The Moffatt Translation: "When God began to form the universe. . ." The Goodspeed Translation: "When God began to create the heavens and the earth. . ."
What exactly does the book of Genesis tell us? That God created the universe -- the heavens and the earth -- in a period of time called, simply, "the beginning." How long ago that primeval creation occurred we are not told anywhere in the Scripture. To determine that, God has given us brains and intellect! There is much evidence that the Universe is far younger than most cosmological speculations today tend to suggest!
That time of �beginning� could well have been seven to ten thousand years ago! Age-estimates of the age of the Universe are singularly weak in proof and totally unconvincing.
However, whenever that �BEGINNING� occurred, notice what happened next! Verse two of Genesis, chapter one, continues: "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep" (King James Version).
Is this verse describing the original creation as being formless and void? If so, it would seem a contradiction. Verse one tells us God created the heavens and the earth. When God creates something, it is beautiful, grand, and majestic. In the 38th chapter of the book of Job, we read: "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof? When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? " (vs. 4-7).
If the original earth had been created a chaotic ruin, formless and void, the angels would not have "sang together" or have "shouted for joy."
Isaiah 45:18 adds more light on this enigmatic passage. The prophet declares: "For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else" (King James Version).
The Hebrew word translated "vain" here is tohu and means "to lie waste," "a desolation," "a desert." It can also be translated "confusion," "empty place," "without form," "nothing," "wilderness." It is the very same word used in Genesis 1:2, where we read the earth "was without form."
One place says God created the earth and it "was without form"; in another place we read God did not create the earth "without form." Is this a contradiction? Not at all!
I know this a long article but bare with me as I try to get the information together...
In the New Testament the apostle Peter tells us that "God did not spare the angels when they sinned. . . ." (II Peter 2:4). The apostle Jude also refers to the punishment that befell the angels "that did not keep their own position but left their proper dwelling" (Jude 6).
The awesome destructions in the solar system that occurred long before man existed may very well have been directly connected with the rebellion and activity of certain angels described in the pages of Scripture. With the physical evidence in mind, let us try to reconstruct what happened in the days of old.
Jesus told his disciples: "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven" (Luke 10:18).
At some ancient time, some point in history, Satan fell from heaven. When did it happen?
A hint of the truth is given in the gospel according to John. Jesus said to the Pharisees of his day: "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it" (John 8:44).
Long before becoming a human being, and partaking of human nature, Jesus had been with the Father from the beginning. He was the "Word," the second member of the Godhead. He said to the hypocritical Pharisees of his day: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am" (John 8:58). He was with God, and was God (John 1:1-3,14).
At that ancient primordial time, Jesus saw Satan fall as lightning out of heaven. He saw him when he became a murderer "from the beginning. " He saw him when he first began to harbor thoughts of resentment, vanity, jealousy, greed, avarice, and gluttony. He saw him when he first began to stray from the truth, and began to become deceitful, tricky, clever, guilty of half-truths, slander, gossip, and falsehoods.
Jesus, as the Logos, was there (John 1:1-3). He beheld Lucifer�s fall with His own eyes!
A much fuller account of the story is provided by the prophet Isaiah. Notice what the prophet was inspired to record: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
"For thou has said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit" (Isaiah 14:12-15).
The term �son of the morning� here is the Hebrew word shakar and means �dawn, early, light, morning.� The name �Lucifer� is the Hebrew word heylel and means �the morning star,� in the sense of �brightness,� from the word halal, meaning �to be clear, to shine; hence, to boast, to make a show,� thus to be �foolish,� �rage, rave, feign self mad.� Lucifer was a �morning star� who perverted his original wisdom and became �mad,� raging, perverting his brightness. Interestingly,
Here the prophet Isaiah describes what happened eons ago! A mighty cherub by the name of Lucifer, which means "Day star," or "Shining star of the dawn," rebelled against the Almighty God. He attempted to ascend to heaven, to exalt his own throne or seat of authority above the other angels, called "stars of God." He attempted to ascend above the clouds (clouds are in the earth's atmosphere), to rise up and conquer space -- to remove God from His Throne -- to become "like the Most High." But his abortive attempt failed. He was cast back down to earth in a massive struggle.
Just how big was this cosmic battle for control of the Universe? Why did Lucifer want to be "like the most High�? Lucifer was a very powerful personality, a mighty angel of God. But his angelic nature, consumed with greed and lust, became a loathsome thing, detestable, unclean, filthy, vile, putrid, ugly, distorted, misshapen, foul. He became characterized as a slithering serpent, a vile snake, a detestable dragon.
In the book of Revelation, John tells us: "And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth . . ." (Revelation 12: 3-4). Notice! Perhaps ONE THIRD OF THE ANGELS followed Lucifer in his campaign to fight against God! During this cosmic conflict it is probable that tens of thousands of meteorites in the solar system were also cast down upon the earth, and that the solar system itself sustained massive damage, as we see attested to by modern astronomy.
John describes this vision further: �And there was WAR in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him� (Rev. 12:7-9). John�s comments, which literally apply to a FUTURE �war in heaven,� are also no doubt very descriptive of the ANCIENT �star war� which occurred when Lucifer first rebelled!
This �war in heaven� must have been catastrophic in nature. It must have been the greatest battle of all time! Armies of angels clashing with each other! The entire cosmos must have been shaken. The fantastic truth of what happened eons ago makes the Star War movies pale into nothingness by comparison!
Peter speaks of the cataclysmic fall of Lucifer and his renegade angels this way: �For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell (Greek, tartaroo, a �place of restraint�), and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment� (II Peter 2:4). These angels had �sinned.� But what is �sin?� The Bible defines it as rebellion, lawlessness. �Sin is the transgression of the law,� John wrote (1 John 3:4).
One third of the angelic hosts, apparently, sinned -- violated the laws of God -- and acted wantonly. They attempted to overthrow the Government of the Creator God. They precipitated violence against God and the other angels who remained true and loyal to God
Lucifer would have been "insane" indeed if he thought that he could take out God! Ha! No chance and Satan would know it!
No my friend ... Satans act of "ego/deceipt was trying to take out man ...Gods most precious possession, the creation in His image, loved by God above all else and still loved by God aove all else .... mans "place" was and continues to be above the angels .. and that didnt sit well with Satan
The fall of man due to Satans deceit was also the fall of the Shining One ...
Lucifer would have been "insane" indeed if he thought that he could take out God! Ha! No chance and Satan would know it!
No my friend ... Satans act of "ego/deceipt was trying to take out man ...Gods most precious possession, the creation in His image, loved by God above all else and still loved by God aove all else .... mans "place" was and continues to be above the angels .. and that didnt sit well with Satan
The fall of man due to Satans deceit was also the fall of the Shining One ...
My question to you is where in the bible does it tell anyone to interpret scripture, if what are brother posted was not true then none of us are saved and there is no God, because you as much said he lied, now I would agree as for what you said was an interpretation, and an opinion, neither are in line with the word of God.
My intent was not to call your brother a liar .. I understood the post to be from a book called "Beyond Star Wars" which is not a "scripture" that I am familiar with, my apologies.
My question to you is this: If people do not "interpret" scripture then why are there Catholics, Methodists, Mennonites, Anglican, Jehova Witness, Latter Day Saints etc etc .. all under the umbrella of Christianity???
"Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true". Acts 17:11
"He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction" II Peter 3:16
My opinion of the interpretation of the Scriptures by the author of "Beyond Star Wars" stands.
It is only an interpretation, when you approach it with your mind, believers commune with God thru there heart, It seems as if you wanted to justify your stand by saying what people do wrong, why wouldn't you go by what people do right! Paul said follow me as I follow Christ, not follow those that interpet the word, does it matter who proclaims the word, is it not the truth? What you said was not according to scripture at all.
That is not the issue, concerning the prior post, and satan proclaiming to exalt his throne above the lords. Please show me in scripture we believers are to interpret the word of God.
