Author	Thread: Predestination vs. Free Will (A new opinion)
klmartin62 View Profile History	Predestination vs. Free Will (A new opinion) Posted : 26 Jan, 2010 06:03 AM Okay Walter bear with me here. I have heard most of this stuff only once and am trying to piece it all together and still be comprehensible. In my quotes I will use the strongs version so that the numbers are there already to aide study. Gen 1:1 In the beginningH7225 GodH430 createdH1254 (H853) the heavenH8064 and the earth.H776 Gen 1:2 And the earthH776 wasH1961 without form,H8414 and void;H922 and darknessH2822 was uponH5921 the faceH6440 of the deep.H8415 And the SpiritH7307 of GodH430 movedH7363 uponH5921 the faceH6440 of the waters.H4325 If we look at the second verse here we see that the Hebrew word hayah is translated as the word "was" when in fact became is the correct translation. God did not create the world without form and void, that would make no sense. Why have to do the same job over and over again? What happened was Satan got so far out of control that he deceived one third of God's children and God destroyed the world to keep from having to destroy His children. This ended what was known as the first earth age. It had been the time of the dinosaur humans were not on the earth in the flesh, but were in Spiritual form. In order for His fallen children to have a real chance to choose Him, God decided that every one of them would be born on earth of woman in the flesh, and be given the choice to choose Him. However, during the first earth age, there was a number of His children who remained true to Him and battled Satan. These had already proven themselves so would not have to go through judgment like all the others. These are called His Elect. These He uses throughout the course of this age to straighten things out and control their direction. Since these will not be going through judgment, they do not have free will. They already made their choice. There is much, much more, but that should be good enough to get this started. Blessings, Leon Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Predestination vs. Free Will (A new opinion) Posted : 26 Jan, 2010 09:06 AM Oh, wow...so...I thought building theology on one verse was shaky. Um...is this an attempt to merge evolutionary precepts into Christianity? I think I'm going to need more than one "misinterpreted" word to back this theory up. This is kinda out there. I thought that, according to Calvinism, Adam was the one that caused sin to reign over humanity...or was he just the first one with a body? Whatever....if this is true...I'm pretty sure God would have had Moses write it down at some point...it sounds like a pretty big deal. But yeah...throw some more verses out here if you have them, I'll bite. :goofball::dancingp: Post Reply
stormcountry33 View Profile History	Predestination vs. Free Will (A new opinion) Posted : 26 Jan, 2010 09:25 AM This all sounds like crazy talk!! I get NO where in the bible the idea that there was another earth previous to the one that we leave in. I also don't know of what belief you are, but this idea isn't biblical!! Post Reply
View Profile History	Predestination vs. Free Will (A new opinion) Posted : 26 Jan, 2010 09:51 AM Friends we were not hear brfore this creation.The earth was void and without form.This is what that means it was here.Remember when satan rebelled.That was before the bible times.They were cast down to the earth.Hell is in the center of the earth,ok. For some reason satan did get to come out of hell to roam the earth.WHY? Not everything is told to us.I have been told that before satans fall he was in charge of a creation here on earth. He was an Arcangel. I know of only 3. Lucifer was one of the top 3 angels.Maybe his being in charge of creation made him puffed up. So, yes the earth was here.How long is a day in gods book. How long is a day for us,24 hours. Stop thinking in our world when you think about this. To god a day could be 1 million years. Do not preceive to know the answers.We were created when we were born.This is our only chance.The angels were here 1st then us.The bible tells very little about the life before. So, satans 1st creation went out with him.Were they the dinosaurs? I not able to answer that.No proof from the word just my views and a gut feeling.I say no it was not. Dennis Post Reply
klmartin62 View Profile History	Predestination vs. Free Will (A new opinion) Posted : 26 Jan, 2010 11:25 AM DHTM, I haven't even gotten to the new theology yet. The part I wrote out is very old, even predating Christ. There are volumes of scripture, and it will be coming. Most of it contained within the prophesies. LOL. If it helps, my first reaction was much the same as yours. Keep checking in, I am going to add new things and verses every day. I have been studying this guys theology for a while now, and I still don't know if he is brilliant or a nut job. I guess time will tell. Blessings, Leon Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Predestination vs. Free Will (A new opinion) Posted : 26 Jan, 2010 01:22 PM Yeah, but so far your base is on one word...can't blame any skepticism on my part. You probably should have waited till you could start the post with all the info... :peace::peace: Post Reply
klmartin62 View Profile History	Predestination vs. Free Will (A new opinion) Posted : 26 Jan, 2010 06:01 PM I am not trying to win over converts to this. I do not believe it myself, but I do find the theory fascinating. The man that teaches this is very good at it and will make you think. I just wish I could do him justice. He somehow runs this theory through the Bible and all the way to Revelation. Nothing tricky, he just goes chapter by chapter, verse by verse, and explains it as he goes. I do admire his teaching ability. Blessings, Leon PS His gift for teaching is one of the things that makes you pay attention to his views. He definitely has an anointing. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Predestination vs. Free Will (A new opinion) Posted : 26 Jan, 2010 07:22 PM Oh...so it was a quote...well, sorry...didn't look like a quote. I'm glad you don't believe it though, lol...it's kinda crazy. :peace::peace: Post Reply
klmartin62 View Profile History	Predestination vs. Free Will (A new opinion) Posted : 27 Jan, 2010 10:37 AM While his theory would answer many questionsbout the Bible, some of his stuff just doesn't rin true to me. I apologize for posting this. It was not the right thing to do. Posting someone else' opinion for the sole purpose of tearing it to pieces without them having the chance to defend it is not a very Christian thing to do. I am going to stop posting on this subject Blessings, Leon Post Reply
View Profile History	Predestination vs. Free Will (A new opinion) Posted : 30 Jan, 2010 06:58 PM so who is the person who really taught this? Post Reply