Author	Thread: A Huge Misunderstanding
Admin	A Huge Misunderstanding Posted : 24 Jan, 2010 02:45 PM This is the post I used in Walter's topic on "murder in the heart". "Hmm... there's a lot of heat on this topic, so I'll try to be brief. I don't feel like Jesus REPLACED the old commandments. I also don't see His teachings as new commandments. I don't think Jesus was trying to give us a new list of rules. In fact, just from reading about Him, I'd say he was against giving us lists of rules to follow! I think that what He was trying to do was to help us all better understand what sin is. To help us understand it a little better. He was trying to help us RECOGNIZE sin... at the core. I think God may have been tired of us following rules just because they were given to us. I think He wanted us to develop a deeper understanding of what sin truly is. I don't believe the people back in Jesus' time had any concept of this. They were just trying to follow the rules to the letter. They didn't understand what sin truly was. Sin was just a word for "you broke a rule". This largely summarizes the way the Pharisees and other teachers of the law acted during that time. They followed the rules as close to the letter as they could, yet were missing the point. As a result of their ignorance of what sin actually was, they were usually oblivious when they were caught up inside of it! In fact, the more I spend time in the "church", or the institutional church anyways, the more I see Christians falling back into this same pattern. "I better follow the rules to the dot so I don't go to hell." This is sad. Literally. It's depressing. What's even sadder, to me, is that no one is standing up against it. We're just all allowing it. We're teaching it our kids. Our own youth. I've been struggling with this for a little while now. I'm not quite sure how to respond or what to do. Maybe none of you feel the same way I do. Maybe you do. If you don't, that's okay. I have to answer for my actions as you have to answer for yours. If you do agree with me, please... share your thoughts. Please. (peacefully, hopefully)" In Christ Garrett Post Reply
View Profile History	A Huge Misunderstanding Posted : 24 Jan, 2010 03:57 PM I agree with you whole-heartedly! :( Post Reply
View Profile History	A Huge Misunderstanding Posted : 24 Jan, 2010 04:32 PM Hey BrownEyed! I thought I saw a Star Rising in the east! Good to have you back! I also agrre with your posting. jesus was trying to give everyone a better insight into sin. And yes many of us do not listen or we choose not to look close enough and instead we develop a broad definition of sin...if we even believe in sin to begin with. But that is our nature. Go back to Adam and watch how he squrims around and trys to skirt by the issue when asked by God what he had done. And I appologize for my sarcasm and lack of decorum. It is just that we will often times take what was a simple and straight forward statement by Christ and dissect it and over analyze it until its meaning is changed or distorted. Thanks...Don't BrownEyed...We've missed you. Steve Post Reply
View Profile History	A Huge Misunderstanding Posted : 24 Jan, 2010 04:53 PM Thank you!! =) Post Reply
stormcountry33 View Profile History	A Huge Misunderstanding Posted : 24 Jan, 2010 06:33 PM Jesus Freak!! Absolutely right on!!!! I'm reading through the Old Testament where the the Laws were given and yet even in the Old Testament there are times where the Israelites follow the Law yet God says," is it not MORE important to follow Me??" In other words, just like you said. We need to know the Law of God,but more importantly, we need to follow God!! We can't let the Law and trying to live up to the Law redirect us from following what God would really have us to do. Good point brother!! Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	A Huge Misunderstanding Posted : 24 Jan, 2010 06:48 PM Nope, I think you're totally right. I think it's kinda funny when some people claim that we're only under the spirit of the law now, like that somehow makes it easier. Sin is something we need to fight until it's out of our lives...I don't think it's possible to achieve that in this life, but I do think we should have that attitude. Fight it to the death. You don't have to win, that's why Jesus died...to cover our inevitable failure to rid ourselves of sin, but we need to want sin gone from our lives with our whole heart, and we need the law to identify what sin is so we can fight it. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	A Huge Misunderstanding Posted : 24 Jan, 2010 07:11 PM Well... I'm glad there are some of you that agree. How, though, do you go about changing the church? How do you convince the church that we are falling back into the same rut? If there's one thing I've learned about Christians, especially those higher up in the "church", it that they know for sure what their beliefs are. If you challenge them, or just flat out disagree, then more times than not, YOU are the one who's wrong. I mean, naturally, people don't like others telling them they're wrong or that they've got it all wrong, especially when they've been taught something their whole lives. Any time in the past when a major view has been challenged, it has taken a monumental force to make change happen. So, how do you convince the "teachers of the law" that their ways are reverting to the old patterns? My first instinct was a new denomination, but I don't think Christianity needs yet ANOTHER denomination. I really don't think that's it. In fact, it's almost as if I don't want to be called a Christian anymore simple because of the connotation that comes along with it. We've changed what it SHOULD connote. I don't know. I'm just lost right now. Venting, maybe, more than anything. Direction in my life seems to have brought me here, but for probably the first time, I'm kinda lost as to what to do. Post Reply
View Profile History	A Huge Misunderstanding Posted : 24 Jan, 2010 08:02 PM Hello JesusFreak, I would just like to say that you are so sincerely tender-hearted and that is SO refreshing!! You trully seem to be a man after God's own heart. Your light shines so brightly!! Knowing that, I know you know what to do to find your answer and I will also pray that you receive His guidence on this matter. I think if anyone can portray His will in a loving and caring way, you can, and I will assist you in any way I can. Most sincerely, T Post Reply
klmartin62 View Profile History	A Huge Misunderstanding Posted : 24 Jan, 2010 08:36 PM T!! Great to see you again. I am back on here regularly now, drop me a line when you get a chance. Jesusfreak, you are correct in my opinion. Remember the garden? God did not want us to even know the difference between good and evil, but we are a stubborn lot, His children. Jesus did not replace the law, He fulfilled it. He also showed us that the law could never save us. Our righteousness (The very best of who we are) is as filthy rags to God. Our righteousness comes from Him through our Lord and savior, Jesus Christ. Jesus was righteous, so we are righteous in His sight. Seems simple, and it is, too simple. You see, we want to think we have something to do with it. So, we start making these conditions. Then we can say we chose to be saved, or we kept our salvation. Both are just a lesser form of earning it. Blessings, Leon Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	A Huge Misunderstanding Posted : 24 Jan, 2010 09:41 PM You can't convince Christians easily, I've been starting to notice that. Doesn't matter how many texts you give...we all think we have God's truth and we're not giving it up without a fight. I guess that's good...for the individual. It's a horrible witness to the world though. I honestly don't know what to tell you. I definitely do not think we need more denominations...we just have to wait for God to call us out of "Babylon". I'm really starting to think that's the only way. God has to step in. However. If you wanna talk about non-Christian's....live your life according to the principles you have learned and never stop learning. Who knows what life you'll touch by living your life as a witness? Only when you get to heaven and they thank you for the kind word, the generosity, the self-sacrificing example. I don't think anyone will thank you for your theological exegesis on the 2300 prophecy, however important that may be for edification, true conversion is the point. A change in the life. I just wish some Christian's could see what they're doing...it's frustrating. Some people spurn God not because they failed to see His love....but because a CHRISTIAN pushed them off the narrow path before they had a chance to get any footing. I just pray I've never done it. What Christians need to focus on is developing a Christ-like character...solves all our housing problems... :peace::peace: P.S. Not saying we should abandon the law...without it we wouldn't even know what sin is. God gave us the law, not necessarily for us to keep it(we should be trying), but to show us how much we need Him and His mercy. We have the law to show us our sinfulness and to drive us to the cross, where we lay our burdens at the feet of Jesus and try to follow His example. Follow Jesus...that's the simple version. Post Reply
View Profile History	A Huge Misunderstanding Posted : 24 Jan, 2010 10:03 PM dear folks, we dont need to worry ourselves so much about the differences we all believe in.. long as we got salvation down pat ..then we just need to concentrate on the two greatest commandments that JESUS gave to us .. an we will do just fine.. matthew 22:36-40 36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" 37 Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." ole cattle Post Reply

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