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Posted : 24 Feb, 2025 12:19 PM

Some skeptics claim that he did the Bible says otherwise







Sacrifice, Jesus is the sacrifice

Jesus

John 12:32-33, “‘And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.’ 33 But He was saying this to indicate the kind of death by which He was to die.”

John 10:11, “I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.”

Paul

Romans 8:3, “For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,”

Ephesians 5:2, “and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma.”

1 Corinthians 5:7, “Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed.”



Salvation by faith, not works

Jesus

Matthew 7:22–23, “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’”

John 3:16, “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.“

John 6:40, “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”

Paul

Romans 3:28, “For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.”

Romans 4:5, “But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,”

Titus 3:4–5, “But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, 5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,”

Sanctification, avoiding sin

Jesus

John 17:15–17, “I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one. 16 “They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.”

Matthew 4:17, “From that time Jesus began to preach and say, ‘Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.'”

John 8:11, “She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more.””

Paul

1 Thess. 4:1–7, “Finally then, brethren, we request and exhort you in the Lord Jesus, that as you received from us instruction as to how you ought to walk and please God (just as you actually do walk), that you excel still more. 2 For you know what commandments we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality; 4 that each of you knows how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5 not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God; 6 and that no man transgress and defraud his brother in the matter because the Lord is the avenger in all these things, just as we also told you before and solemnly warned you. 7 For God has not called us for the purpose of impurity, but in sanctification.”

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Posted : 1 Mar, 2025 06:49 AM

Good you know how to draw members! HC



Many Men don't know Bible Truths to teach!

No leading of God.





Article. interesting Read





TIMOTHY: A GOOD TEACHER

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When someone equips people for every good work without quarreling and without seeking their own gain, then they are a good teacher—like Timothy. They are “advancing God’s work [with] love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.” (1 Timothy 1:4-5).



Since my name is Timothy, I can’t resist writing some blogs telling how Timothy was a hero of the Bible. In this blog, I praise Timothy as a good teacher.



We know about Timothy from stories in the Book of Acts and from comments by Paul in several of his letters that are preserved in the New Testament.



From these sources, it is clear that Timothy was a good teacher.



Paul trusted Timothy to be a good teacher at infant churches who needed to receive “basic training” about how to live in the Way of Jesus. (Acts 17:14-15; 18:5; 19:22; 20:1-6).



Paul asked Timothy to help write a number of letters that became part of the New Testament: 1 Thessalonians 1:1; 2 Thessalonians 1:1; 2 Corinthians 1:1, Philippians 1:1; Colossians 1:1; and Philemon 1:1.



Paul taught Timothy to teach by example: “Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them.” (1 Timothy 4:16). “Set an example for the believers in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, and in purity.” (1 Timothy 4:12).



Paul taught Timothy to teach with words: “[D]evote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to preaching and to teaching.” (1 Timothy 4:13).



Paul taught Timothy to become wise about the Way of Jesus by studying the Holy Scriptures because: “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.” (2 Timothy 3:16-17).



When Paul wrote these words to Timothy, the word “Scripture” referred to the Hebrew Scriptures—what Christians today refer to as the Old Testament. When Christians use the word “Scripture” today, they are also referring to the writings in the New Testament, such as Gospels about Jesus and letters written by Paul.



I want to emphasize two things that Paul wrote to Timothy about Scripture in 2 Timothy 3:16-17.



First, Paul said that Scripture is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in RIGHTEOUSNESS.



He didn’t say that Scripture is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in ASTRONOMY, BIOLOGY OR GEOLOGY.



Second, Paul said that ALL Scripture is God-breathed.



Therefore, when we are using Scripture to teach, rebuke, correct and train in righteousness, we must not consider only those passages that make us comfortable. We must also consider those passages that challenge us.



We must be careful to teach the entire will of God (Acts 20:27)—the challenging parts as well as the comforting parts—especially when discerning aspects of our lives and of our civilization that increase our power or our wealth such as slavery (any exploitation of people) or war (any violence against people).



We must be careful to teach the entire will of God—the challenging parts as well as the comforting parts—especially when discerning aspects of our lives and of our civilization that prevent others from having life and enjoying life to the full such as prejudices and persecutions against women, LGBTQ people, people of color, and people of other nations and religions.



What are some of these challenging parts of Scripture? Those parts that tell us to act in ways that decrease our power or our wealth. Those parts that tell us to love people who are different from us or who may even be our enemies. (Matthew 5:1-8:3; 18:1-5; 19:13-30; 20:25-28; 25:31-46; Mark 8:34-38; 10:13-31, 42-45; Luke 1:45-55; 3:7-14; 5:27-32,36-39; 6:17-49; 7:18-27; 9:51-62; 10:25-42; 12:13-34; 13:22-30; 14:25-35; 16:19-31; 18:9-30; 19:1-27; 22:24-27; John 3:1-8,19-21; 4:1-26; 7:53-8:11; 13:1-5,12-17)



Teaching and living in this Way of Jesus will lead to controversies in our lives and in our civilization. (Luke 12:49-53).



These controversies are justified and inevitable because we are challenging ourselves and others to overcome evil with good (Romans 12:21).



Frederick Douglass knew this from personal experience. He was born as a slave in the South. But he escaped to the North where he became a leader of the movement to abolish slavery. After a long struggle, Frederick Douglass won freedom for slaves by overcoming the wealth and power of the slave owners.



From his personal struggles, Frederick Douglass learned that: “Without struggle, there can be no progress.” Why? Because “[p]ower concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.”



These inevitable struggles and controversies are justified because we are fighting Darkness with Light—overcoming evil with good—so that ALL people will have life and will enjoy life to the full. (John 10:10).



In his Sermon on the Mount, Jesus commanded us to keep on lighting the world with our good deeds even though people will oppose this Way of Jesus by insulting us, persecuting us, and falsely saying all manner of evil against us. (Matthew 5:11-16).



As Paul warned Timothy: “[E]veryone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.” (2 Timothy 3:12).



Jesus and Paul never ran away from controversies that were caused by them salting the earth with the Way of Jesus and lighting the world with good deeds. (Matthew 5:11-16).



Jesus and Paul were insulted, persecuted, lied about, and executed for putting into practice the words of Jesus in his Sermon on the Mount.



On the other hand, Jesus and Paul knew that some types of controversies are bad. These controversies are needless quarrels and speculations caused by bad shepherds to increase their power and wealth.



Paul wrote Timothy to stay away from such needless controversies, quarrels and speculations, and to oppose those who “have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction.” (1 Timothy 6:4-5).



Paul wrote Timothy to be especially wary of those who promote controversies and quarrels as “a means of financial gain.” (1 Timothy 6:5).



Paul wrote Timothy that Scripture should not be used “to promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work [of] love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.” (1 Timothy 1:4-5).



Therefore, we should oppose anyone (including spouses, politicians and foreign leaders, as well as clergy) whose teachings and life promote controversies, quarrels, and speculations in order to help that person, nation or religion feed themselves on money, power or sex.



A good teacher will follow the advice that Paul wrote to Timothy: “Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments.” (2 Timothy 2:23).



Why?



“Because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance, leading them to a knowledge of the truth.” (2 Timothy 2:23-25).



When a teacher equips people for every good work without quarreling or speculating, and without feeding the teacher on money, power or sex, then they are a good teacher—like Timothy. They are “advancing God’s work [with] love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.” (1 Timothy 1:4-5).



Living and teaching this Way, Paul and Timothy spread God’s love to new people in new ways so that “[t]here is neither Jew nor [non-Jew], neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for [we] are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:28).



Living and teaching this Way, Jesus taught us to be good shepherds who teach people to “have life and have it to the full” (John 10:10).



How?



By putting into practice the words of Paul “to set an example for the believers in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, and in purity.” (1 Timothy 4:12).



By putting into practice the words of Jesus so that “in everything, [we] do to others what [we] would have them do to [us].” (Matthew 7:12).



Immediately after Jesus finished these words in his Sermon on the Mount, he began teaching by example, putting his words into practice.



How?



Jesus touched and healed a leper!



In this Way, Jesus taught us to touch all people to give them every type of healing (physical, psychological, emotional, and spiritual)—even if we hate to touch that person.



In this Way, Jesus taught us to touch all people to give them every type of healing (physical, psychological, emotional and spiritual)—even if our religion and our civilization command us not to touch that person.



By teaching and living in this Way of Jesus, we will put his words into practice by touching and healing all people and all civilizations.



By teaching and living in this Way of Jesus, we will empower all people and all civilizations to set a good example in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, and in purity.



By teaching and living in this Way of Jesus, we will empower all people and all civilizations to have life, and to enjoy life to the full. (Matthew 28:18-20; John 10:10)

















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Posted : 2 Mar, 2025 09:29 AM

Moomlight, you have chided others MANY times about going off topic‼️‼️

But here you are COMPLETELY off topic. Your copy and paste article and your accusatory comments have nothing to do with the subject regarding “perceptions of contradictions between Jesus and Paul”‼️‼️

That’s what’s known as hypocrisy in any social norm of where protocol is respected.

Your post is just another opportunistic jab at putting people down who disagree with your false teachings.



What about the article that you quoted? Did you actually read it or did you just copy and paste something you don’t understand?

As for the article:

Tell us what do you know about Tim Harmer?

What does Tim Harner mean when he says: “We must be careful to teach the entire will of God—the challenging parts as well as the comforting parts—especially when discerning aspects of our lives and of our civilization that prevent others from having life and enjoying life to the full such as prejudices and persecutions against women, LGBTQ people, people of color, and people of other nations and religions.”?

It’s clear either you don’t read the articles you copy and paste or you don’t understand them OR it’s entirely possible you actually support some of the false claims of the articles you post.

After all, you claim to be pro-life but in another post on a different thread, you quoted pro-abortion talking points.

Please tell us what you REALLY believe ‼️‼️

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Posted : 2 Mar, 2025 11:36 AM

https://www.gotquestions.org/Spirit-walk.html





Seek Jesus

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Posted : 2 Mar, 2025 11:42 AM

Many Christians try to ignore ignorance Repeated.

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Posted : 2 Mar, 2025 11:47 AM

Bible truths teaching

Learn what that means unlike your repeated nonsense.

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Posted : 2 Mar, 2025 12:01 PM

Self Explanatory article.

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Posted : 2 Mar, 2025 12:37 PM

Moondust why do you think non answers are acceptable? Your repeated "non answers" only serve to show low intelligence. Is showing low intelligence what you really want people to see from you? Despite what you may believe people can, will and do judge you by your actions.

Calling people who disagree with you names and bearing false witness against them makes YOU look bad and NOT those that you're accusing.

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Posted : 2 Mar, 2025 01:29 PM

https://www.gotquestions.org/walk-with-God.html





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Posted : 2 Mar, 2025 01:32 PM

You Run where there are arguments or disagree.



You degrade Women.





It's noted on site !!





No Wisdom

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Posted : 2 Mar, 2025 02:00 PM

One intelligent Man Posting Discussions Forum.







Unfortunately

He's trying to support your continuing ignorance on here .

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