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adam vs the man of flesh the one fromed of the ground
Posted : 12 Oct, 2009 04:20 AM
/////////////////3 And Jesus himself, when he began [to teach], was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the [son] of Heli, 24 the [son] of Matthat, the [son] of Levi, the [son] of Melchi, the [son] of Jannai, the [son] of Joseph, 25 the [son] of Mattathias, the [son] of Amos, the [son] of Nahum, the [son] of Esli, the [son] of Naggai, 26 the [son] of Maath, the [son] of Mattathias, the [son] of Semein, the [son] of Josech, the [son] of Joda, 27 the [son] of Joanan, the [son] of Rhesa, the [son] of Zerubbabel, the [son] of Shealtiel, the [son] of Neri, 28 the [son] of Melchi, the [son] of Addi, the [son] of Cosam, the [son] of Elmadam, the [son] of Er, 29 the [son] of Jesus, the [son] of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the [son] of Matthat, the [son] of Levi, 30 the [son] of Symeon, the [son] of Judas, the [son] of Joseph, the [son] of Jonam, the [son] of Eliakim, 31 the [son] of Melea, the [son] of Menna, the [son] of Mattatha, the [son] of Nathan, the [son] of David, 32 the [son] of Jesse, the [son] of Obed, the [son] of Boaz, the [son] of Salmon, the [son] of Nahshon, 33 the [son] of Amminadab, the [son] of Arni, the [son] of Hezron, the [son] of Perez, the [son] of Judah, 34 the [son] of Jacob, the [son] of Isaac, the [son] of Abraham, the [son] of Terah, the [son] of Nahor, 35 the [son] of Serug, the [son] of Reu, the [son] of Peleg, the [son] of Eber, the [son] of Shelah 36 the [son] of Cainan, the [son] of Arphaxad, the [son] of Shem, the [son] of Noah, the [son] of Lamech, 37 the [son] of Methuselah, the [son] of Enoch, the [son] of Jared, the [son] of Mahalaleel, the [son] of Cainan, 38 the [son] of Enos, the [son] of Seth, the [son] of Adam , the [son] of God.
roms 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the trespass, so also [is] the free gift. For if by the trespass of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God, and the gift by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound unto the many.
this is not talking about the one made in the iamge of God for ADAM was spiritual it is talking about the flesh of man found in gensis two...
Adam #120 mankind people someone....means red skinned ...
****the word for ADAM in gensis one is a generic name ; genetic means:relating to or common to or descriptive of all members of a genus; "the generic name" * male and female not just male or not just female put all inclusive.
a wine that is a blend of several varieties of grapes with no one grape predominating; a wine that does not carry the name of any specific grape
English Vocabulary and Idioms Forum discuss the word generic
Meaning of generic (adjective)
noting a genus or kind; opposed to specific
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now when Adam falls God gives him and his wife skins of flesh
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eve was not the wife of Adam
for Adam was complete in themselves ADAM it says in gens 1 was male and female also see genesis chapter 5 verse one
eve was the wife of the formed man she was taken out of the one formed of dust...
..not eve for eve is not the wife of the Adam that is created in God's image and likeness, that Adam was both male and female..
but when we see the ADAM fall he and his wife (not eve ) are given clothes of skin. thye in turn become but flesh.. .. gens 3...
eve was already flesh she was taken out of the formed man the one of the ground. these are two set of different beings ...one of the flesh and one of the spirit...
For when ADAM fell he became as the dust of the earth... the one formed of the ground in genesis two , ...He is not longer in God's LIKENESS, but in HisIMAGE ONLY
what is the image of God ? The Word says God is Spirit
the One who was in His likeness dies... that was the cruse of the fallen ADAM (who was male and female) ADAM was generic.......
likeness means.
***the word likeness means; shape figure shape.......
image means;
representation and manifestations..
1.it means more the resemblance...
2 of the subject relative to spiritual things
not the essential and substantial form of them
a) of the relation between the Father ,Christ and man that likeness was lost after the fall...
b) of regenerated person
c) of the believers in there glorified state not merely as resembling Christ but representing Him
d) of Christ in relation to God essentially and the absolutely the perfect expression of God and represent ion of the Archetype the Father the image of the invisible ... invisible ... must not be confined to the apprehend of bodily senses but will include the the cognizance of the inward eye.
the son of God is not merely his image; but His substance or essence.
CHRIST titles are WORD IMAGE, SON respectively
the One who through whom and for whom all things where made...and through whom they subsist.
eve was flesh and the mother of all human kind her husband was flesh... her husband was not the CREATED ADAM...but the one formed of the dust
God commands them to reproduce after their OWN KIND. that is why we do not see ADAM and Eve having children before the fall.
they where of different seed of ADAM is a SON of God
eve and her husband id have kids
and so did ADAM his offspring are the sons of God or "grandchildren " that is what the word sons means
eve did have children with the formed man and the scripture proves it out.. her curse was... that here labor would be INCREASED for it to increase it must have been happening no? also she does not have relations with ADAM until the fall.. when ADAM falls he is clothed with human skin...for ADAM was spirit up until this point!
eve ===flesh do you realize that the death of eve is never recorded... she was but flesh..
flesh ===a) substance of the body...weather beast or man...
b) the human body
c)mankind spirit soul and body..
d)the holy humanity of the Lord Jesus in total of all that is human spirit soul and body
an animal doesn't have a spirit being being only man they have a soul and body only
e) the complete person all human kind has this it is the regenerated Spirit that is lacking in fallen man, that is why one must be born again!
f)the weaker element of fallen nature
g) the unregenerated man
h) the seat of sin in man
i) the lower temporal element of a Christian
j) the natural attainments of man
k) circumstance
l)the outward or seeming as in contrast to with the spirit, the inward the real
m) natural relationship
now the man formed from the ground is just that but dust ...this is the physical body of mankind ...this is human Eve was the mother of all Humankind!
eve was but flesh...
two different things here one the generic ADAM which was both male and female are like God and the other are the formed man and women both where tested separately... The ADAM which was made in God's image , both male and female, see genesis chapter one verse 29 and chapters five verse one.., was to cultivate the ground watch over it protect it...the ground represent the one mad of the flesh..
the first man Adam BECAME a living soul due to the fall.
Christ on the other hand being made in the flesh only BECOMES a life giving spirit
1corth 15:9 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one [flesh] of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fishes. 40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the [glory] of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differeth from another star in glory. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead.
It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 it is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual [body]
. 45 So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul.
The last Adam [became] a life-giving spirit.
46 Howbeit that is not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; then that which is spiritual. 47
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is of heaven.
ADAM was not of the earth he was created ..spoken into being...
he became flesh though the fall
the created ADAM was promised an even higher position ..eternal life....
the one of the dust is not neither is Eve ..eve was not even commanded to not eat of the tree but the ADAM was....
it was this temptation unto ADAM the male/ female that was key not the flesh....
adam was to keep guard over the flesh
17 And unto Adam he said, Because THOU hast hearkened unto the VOICE OF THY WIFE...Adams wife was not eve...
but because of Their sin, the one's made in the image and likeness of God
the ones made of the ground where cursed
, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for THY sake;
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1tim 2:9 In like manner, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefastness and sobriety; not with braided hair, and gold or pearls or costly raiment; 10 but (which becometh women professing godliness) through good works. 11 Let a woman learn in quietness with all subjection. 12 But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve;
14 and Adam was not beguiled,
but the woman being beguiled hath fallen into transgression:
15 but she shall be saved through her child-bearing, if they continue in faith and love and sanctification with sobriety.
the women here is the flesh never is Eve referred to as female in the Word of God she is the mother of all human kind ..other wise "females" must do more then males to earn their salvation no?
now insert the word flesh for women and read the following
the flesh is not to speak in church
the flesh is not to adorn itself with god and silver
the flesh will only be saved though child bearing this means to produce the fruits of the Spirit.
women
gal 4:4 the phrase "born of a women is in accordance to with the subject there VIZ this the word attest That humanity was free from the taint of sin consequent upon the fall
Jesus was not born of the natural processes of ordinary generation but was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit.
born of the women this word for women is not gune which means humankind
the word used is viz---That humanity was free from the taint of sin consequent upon the fall
Jesus was not born of the natural processes of ordinary generation but was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit.
women again is not female the word for female is theleia this is never used in relation to women
the word here for women is gune or women or humankind .
gune means;
woman married or unmarried
the word used born of a women in regard to the Christ is VIZ
to write born of a virgin would have carried the argument in the wrong direction...since that which is born of a women is universal fact, the statement would be superfluous if the Lord Jesus where no more the man!
the word used to describe eve is Issah
issah means
a female human being
it means mother
it means wife
it correlation to man "IS"
she is called women because she was taken out of man
the formed man..... not he created ADAM
the one who was under mans protection that MAN was ADAM the Spirit man
Is means ;
means human mate husband
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a man "is " is one distinguished form female it means male human
the word Is is never used of ADAM in genesis one
it is only applied to the man made of the ground in genesis two and onward...
ADAM was in the image and likeness of God which is spirit. Adam was a spirit being which is male and female... for in Christ Jesus there is neither male or female...
Jesus was born of the Viz not the gune...
he was called the holy thing
He did not have the stain of the original sin
He was conceived of the Holy Spirit but He is said to be of the seed of women the Viz not the gune
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