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Unbelief of the Jew vs. The Faithfulness of God...
Posted : 9 Oct, 2009 12:02 PM
Does the unbelief of the Jews make God's faithfullness void to no effect?
In other words, many Jews rejected God's revelation and God's Messiah (Jesus Christ), and many still reject God's revelation and Jesus Christ today. So does this mean that God has rejected them, and will not keep His promise to deliver and save them?
Unbelief of the Jew vs. The Faithfulness of God...
Posted : 11 Oct, 2009 07:51 PM
I understand as a genital and the lack of teaching the American church it is easily to be mislead or just simply not tough the truth however, there is a central lesson about the gospel of salvation that most Christians and theologians alike often tend to forget or have no concept of at all. Most Christians think the gospel was tailored specifically to their Gentile racial/ethnic background only, and no one else's and that it's always going to be that way. The apostle Paul himself would beg to differ with you, and he even put this in writing. This central lesson is found in Romans 14. The apostle Paul had a real problem in the Church of God in Rome. It was made up of two major and different racial/ethnic groups (and each major group was made up of a couple sub-groups, but we'll stick with the two major groups). One group was made up of Greco-Roman Gentiles, and the other was made up of Torah-observant Messianic Jewish Christians. One group, it is believed, wanted to worship on Sunday or held no particular day as holy for worship. The other group wanted to maintain worship on the Saturday Sabbath, and observe the Holy Days and dietary laws of the Old Testament (Torah). And these two groups were chafing against each other, going at each other. Very clearly Paul restated the principles agreed upon in the Jerusalem counsel in Acts 15, making them even more clear. He stated in Romans 14:5-6, 22-23 that it was OK for each group to worship as it saw fit, according to the dictates of their own individual Christian consciences in secondary doctrinal areas such as days of worship and whether to follow Old Testament dietary laws or not. Few theologians have seen the significance of this legislation, or they chose to ignore it. Paul, apostle to the Gentiles, refining the decisions made in the Jerusalem counsel in Acts 15, was giving the new covenant gospel of salvation the ability to adapt to any and every racial/ethnic group in the world, down through the ages. And we have witnessed it do just exactly that, down through almost 2,000 years of church history. Now very recently we are witnessing the gospel of salvation through Jesus Christ re-adapt itself back into the racial/ethnic culture it first came from-the Jewish culture. What we are witnessing in the Messianic Jewish-Christian movement is a direct move of the Holy Spirit to bring the gospel of salvation to all Jewish people and back into the land of Israel--now the Israeli nation. Messianic Jewish Christian congregations (or synagogues) were extant in fairly large numbers, both of the Ebionite (Torah-observant) and "sect of the Nazarene" (non-Torah observant) extraction during the 1st century AD. Subsequent Greco-Roman ecclesiastical suppression eliminated these groups from the scene by the 300s AD. Now, within the last thirty years Messianic Jewish Christian congregations have been forming. Thirty years ago there were only 30 Messianic congregations in the United States. Now there are over 150! Congregations are springing up all over the world, and they're also springing up all over the Israeli nation as well.
Jewish people (physical descendants of Abraham through Isaac and Jacob, whether through the mother's or the father's blood-line) who place their faith in Israel's Messiah, Yeshua, continue to be Jewish according to the Scriptures (Rom. 2:28-29).
We should never forget the Gentiles who place their faith in Yeshua, are "grafted into" the Jewish olive tree of faith (Rom. 11:17-25) becoming spiritual sons and daughters of Abraham (Gal. 3:28-29). Furthermore, the New Covenant body of believers is composed of both Jews and Gentiles who have received Yeshua the Messiah as the Promised Redeemer. The "middle wall of partition" has been broken down and now we worship the God of Israel together (I Cor. 12:13; Eph. 2:13-14).
Unbelief of the Jew vs. The Faithfulness of God...
Posted : 12 Oct, 2009 06:53 PM
Ezekiel�s Temple doesn�t just fit into Christianity, it is Christianity. Although Ezekiel is a much-neglected book, several good commentaries complete with detailed analysis of the chapters on the Millennial Temple are in print. Ezekiel's Temple differs in several very important ways from any previously existing Jewish temple. Therefore most Bible scholars believe there will one day exist in the Holy Land a Fourth or Millennial Temple. Although the New Testament speaks three times of the existence of a Third Jewish Temple in Jerusalem at the end of the present age the fate of that Third Temple is not given in the New Testament. A great and devastating earthquake is associated with the second coming of Jesus to the Mount of Olives, which apparently will destroy most of the city of Jerusalem at that time. Major topographic changes will occur throughout the land of Israel as well. Therefore it is reasonable to suppose that the Third Temple will be destroyed by the final earthquake at Messiah's appearing in glory.
The previous temples, as well as the Tabernacle of Moses, are pictures for us of man as the dwelling place of God, then Ezekiel's temple may be intended to teach us about the marvelously new resurrection bodies waiting for every believer when he leaves this present life (2 Corinthians 5:1-5). Ezekiel saw in a great vision the departure of the glory (the Shekinah) of God from the Temple of Solomon, (Ezekiel 9:1-11:25). In a subsequent vision of Jerusalem in 573 BC, eighteen years later, Ezekiel was shown the future return of the Shekinah to Israel and to the Temple (43:1-12). The prophet Isaiah (Isaiah 66:1, 2) had also foreseen that future day.
According to many Christian Bible scholars, the Fourth Temple (Ezekiel 40-45) will be "memorial" - a teaching center apparently to instruct men about the holiness of God and proper worship during the coming kingdom of Jesus on the earth. As sinful men and women continue to be born into the world in the millennium, the temple is supposed to remind everyone of the substitutionary death of Jesus on the cross, as the "Lamb of God." Believing saints from the Old Testament epoch, saints from the Christian era, and all those raised from the dead at the rapture and at the second coming of Christ in glory receive new resurrection bodies, like that of Jesus, as detailed in 1 Corinthians 15. Yet, after the Battle of Armageddon, Jesus will gather all the survivors of the nations outside Jerusalem and determine which individual sons and daughters of Adam are worthy to enter the Millennial Kingdom on earth. This is the famous judgment of the sheep and the goats described by our Lord in Matthew 25:31-46, and given by the prophet Joel, in Joel chapter 3.
The criterion for judgment at this time will be how individuals Gentiles have treated the Jews especially believing Jews who constitute "true Israel." The "Sheep" category clearly represents those righteous gentiles whose hearts are right before the Lord, that is they are all regenerated men and women, but individuals who have not previously received their resurrection bodies. They will repopulate the earth, according to Christian belief, during the thousand-year reign of Messiah under greatly improved living conditions detailed in Isaiah 65:18-25. During this thousand year reign of Yeshua over a restored earth, with Satan locked away in the abyss (Rev. 20:2), sinners will be born on the earth and will need to be instructed in matters of God's grace and mercy. For this reason most commentators on Ezekiel believe that the Fourth Temple will be Memorial in nature, looking back in time to the cross of Jesus Christ, just as the Tabernacle and First and Second Temples pointed ahead in time to the cross. The prescribed worship services of Ezekiel's temple are also described for us in great detail by the prophet. The priests presiding over the temple services will be of the line of Zadok (44:15) who proved faithful after the failure of the Levitical priests in the line of Eli (1 Samuel 2:35, 1 Kings 2:26-27, 35). The Millennial Temple will not have a separate High Priest. Instead, the previously separate offices of King and Priest will be combined in the Messiah (Zechariah 6:9-15).
Moreover, Jerusalem on earth during the Millennium, should not be confused with the heavenly city known as "New Jerusalem," referred to in the New Testament, (Hebrews 11:16, 12: 18-29, Revelation 21-22) which seems to take the form of a great orbiting or stationary satellite above the earth. This vast city whose dimensions are of the order of 1500 miles on a side, may be connected to the millennial temple by a space-time gate way. The New Jerusalem does not include a temple (Revelation 21:22, 23) - "The Lord God, the Almighty and the Lamb, are its temple." During the millennial kingdom, sin will continue to exist on the earth, but all forms of defilement and sin are clearly excluded from the New Jerusalem, and guarded against by the complex rituals proscribed for the Temple of Ezekiel on the earth.
I hope this has helped, at least somewhat, and thank you for saying those nice things.... Be Blessed.
Unbelief of the Jew vs. The Faithfulness of God...
Posted : 13 Oct, 2009 08:58 PM
Shalom,
I do want to right off say I know this is incredibly long this material is from the commentarys of Messianic Rabbis and I for the most part wrote verbatim what was said. There was so much meat; I tried to the best of my ability to just give the �skinny.� I need to not too that all Scripture used is from The Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) but you will find it says the same thing as the NIV or the KJV.
Scripture speaks of a person who expedites the unification of Israel, who will rebuild the Millennial Temple and who will usher in the beginning of Messiah�s Millennial Reign. Who is this person? He is called by many names, �The Branch,� �The Shepherd,� �The Stone of Israel,� the �Prince,� and �David your Sovereign.� Our first response is to assume that these titles certainly must be referring to Yahshua HaMashiach (Jesus Messiah). This is a vitally important question because if this person is the Messiah, then those Scriptures which refer to him would all be prophesies of his second coming. But it this person is someone else, other than the Messiah, we must then interpret all references to this person in a completely different context. Perhaps we should look carefully into what the Scriptures say.
In Genesis 49:22-24. Here, Jacob, whose name was later changed to �Israel,� is blessing his sons, each of which represented one of the 12 tribes. However, you will recall that Joseph received a double blessing. Instead of Joseph�s family name representing only one tribe, his two sons were each granted the privilege of representing a tribe. Thus, Joseph�s descendents became two tribes.
Here we have the words of the blessing, which was given to Joseph:
Bereshit (Genesis) 49:22-24�Joseph is a fruitful bough, a fruitful bough by a well: his branches run over the wall. The archers have bitterly grieved him, shot at him and hated him. But his bow remained in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the Mighty One of Jacob. From there is the Shepherd, the Stone of Israel. (A reference to the Righteous Leader). Here is the first reference in Scripture to this person that we are studying about tonight. By this verse, we see that this person will be a descendent of Joseph who symbolically represents the 10 tribes of Ephraim.
Our first reaction is to assume that this is a reference to Yahshua, the Messiah based upon the following two verses:
Yochanan (John) 10:11 (a reference to Yahshua) "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.� And YeshaYahu (Isaiah) 8:14-15 (a reference to Yahshua) He will be as a sanctuary, but a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense to both the houses of Israel, (and) as a trap and a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. And many among them shall stumble; they shall fall and be broken, be snared and taken."
But - - - Yahshua was not a descendent of the house of Jacob. Rebbi Yahshua was from the tribe of Yahudah. Ivrim (Hebrews) 7:14 For it is evident that our Master arose from (the Tribe of) Judah�.
Now we begin to scratch our heads. The Christian community, who does not know or care about the genealogy of the tribes does not see this problem. From the very beginning, it is impossible that this Righteous Leader could the Messiah.
No contradictions or mistakes in Scripture: One of the major tenants of our Messianic faith is the belief that �Scripture does not contradict itself and there are no mistakes.� If there is an apparent contradiction, it is because we are misunderstanding or misinterpreting one or both of the two Scriptures involved.
With this in mind, we have already established that the �Righteous leader� could not be the Messiah because the Messiah was not from the house of Joseph. But Revelation 2:26-27 says �And he who overcomes, and guards My works until the end, to him I shall give authority over the nations, and he shall shepherd them with a rod of iron, as the potter�s vessels shall be broken to pieces, as I also have received from My Father.
The verse that we just read is actually a quote from the Psalms 2:7-9
�I inscribe for a law: YHWH has said to Me, �You are My Son, Today I have brought You forth. �Ask of Me, and I make the gentiles Your inheritance, And the ends of the earth Your possession. �Break them with a rod of iron, Dash them to pieces like a potter�s vessel.� �
From this verse, we see that the �he� of Revelation 2:27 is definitely speaking of the Messiah. But the Messiah can�t be the Righteous Leader spoken of in Genesis 49:22-24 because he is not from the house of Joseph. So, does this mean that there is a contradiction or a mistake? No. Mattithyahu (Matthew) 28:18-20 tell us the Yahshua will be with us always.
Is Yahshua here with us on this earth in physical form right now? No. Is Yahshua here with us on this earth vicariously through the presence of the Holy Spirit? Yes. So when it says in Revelation 2:27 and he shall shepherd them with a rod of iron, - - - could that mean that Yahshua will shepherd the earth with a rod of iron vicariously through his righteous followers on this earth? Would this solve the problem of the apparent contradiction? Yes, it would.
Let�s continue our study:
Hosea 2:2 Then the children of Judah and the children of Israel shall be gathered together, and appoint for themselves one head; and they shall come up out of the land, for great will be the day of Jezre�el! Here, this Righteous Leader is appointed by the people. But Yahsuha was anointed by Yahweh Almighty. We do not select our Messiah; He has his authority from on high!
Zechariah 14:3-4 (Yahshua is not �appointed. �)Then YHWH will go forth and fight against those nations, as He fights in the day of battle. And in that day His (Yahshua) feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, from east to west, making a very large valley. Half of the mountain shall move toward the north, and half of it toward the south. (We also see that this Righteous Leader will be �raised up� but when Yahshua returns to this earth, he will not be raised up, he will be �coming down� from the heavens.)
YirmeYahu (Jeremiah) 30:6-9 (The Righteous Leader will be �raised up�) Ask now, and see, whether a man is ever in labor with child? So why do I see every man with his hands on his loins like a woman in labor, and all faces turned pale? Alas! For that day is great, so that none is like it; and it is the time of Ya�akov's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it. 'For it shall come to pass in that day,' Says YHWH of hosts, 'That I will break his yoke from your neck, and will burst your bonds. Foreigners shall no more enslave them, But they shall serve YHWH their Elohim, and David their king, whom I will raise up for them.
Ma�aseh (Acts) 1:9-11 (Yahshua will �come down�) Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Yahshua, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven."
(We are also told that this Righteous Leader will �come from among them,� the people of Israel, and �out of their midst�.)
YirmeYahu (Jeremiah) 30:18-21 "Thus says YHWH: 'Behold, I will bring back the captivity of Ya�akov's tents, and have mercy on his dwelling places. The city shall be built upon its own mound, and the palace shall remain according to its own plan. Then out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of those who make merry; I will multiply them, and they shall not diminish; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small. Their children also shall be as before, and their congregation shall be established before Me; and I will punish all who oppress them. Their leader shall come from among them, and their governor shall come from their midst. Then I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach Me; for who is this who pledged his heart to approach Me?' says YHWH.
(The Righteous Leader is a �governor� who �approaches� YHWH. Yahshua is our Messiah, not our governor. He does not �approach� YHWH, he �came from the Father�. Yahshua does not need to �pledge his heart� to YHWH, he is YHWH in the flesh!)
YirmeYahu (Jeremiah) 30:21 Their leader shall come from among them, and their governor shall come from their midst. Then I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach Me; for who is this who pledged his heart to approach Me?' says YHWH.
This passage takes a little study to understand. In the Millennial Temple, there shall be a high priest and other Levitical priests who assist him. In their priestly uniforms, they will be a wondrous sign. The high priest is called by the name, �Yahoshua,� but this is not a reference to our Messiah. Remember, the name means, �YHWH is my Salvation.� In the day of Yahshua, this was a common name. For example, �Yahoshua� was the one who lead Israel across the Jordan River. �Joshua�s� real name was Yahoshua. Clearly, this verse shows that �My Servant the Branch� and the high priest are different persons. YHWH is telling the high priest and his companions to �hear�about His Servant, the Branch. Remember also that the �Name which is above every name�is not �Yahoshua� or �Yahshua,� but �Yahweh� which is �Yah� in its short form.
Now let�s read more about this earthly high priest:
Zechariah 3:8'Hear, O Yahoshua, the high priest, you and your companions who sit before you, for they are a wondrous sign; for behold, I am bringing forth My (other) Servant the Branch.
(This �branch� is a reference to the Righteous Leader.) Here in verse 8, the Hebrew word for �branch� is tzemach. When the Christian community hears the word �branch,� they automatically think of Isaiah 11:1 is also translated as �branch� but which uses a different word, netzer.
Isaiah 11:1 There shall come forth a Rod from the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots. (This Branch is a reference to Yahshua.) (Thus, we can see that in the original text, Yahshua is the netzer but the Righteous Leader is the tzemach. Now let�s read more about this earthly high priest.) (It is important to understand that the high priest who is doing the will of the Father does not detract or take away from our Messiah, our ultimate �High Priest� who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens�.)
Ivrim (Hebrews) 8:1 (This is a reference to our Messiah.) Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens�.
Zechariah 6:11-13 (The earthly high priest is to be honored because he is loyal to Yahweh, the �tzedek,� which means �king.�) Take the silver and gold, make an elaborate crown, and set it on the head of Yahoshua, the son of Yahotzedek (a poetic expression showing loyalty), the High Priest. Then speak to him, saying, �Thus says YHWH of hosts, saying: �Behold, the (different) man whose name is the Branch: And he shall branch out from his place, and he (the Branch) shall build the temple of YHWH (in which you shall serve); Yes, he shall build the temple of YHWH. He shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule on his throne; so he shall be a priest on his throne, and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.� "
Be careful of the �knee-jerk� reaction, which might cause us to think that the �catch phrases� in verse 13 automatically refer to the Messiah. Remember that when Yahoshua, our Messiah comes back to earth, He will not share His glory with anyone. He will be priest and king. In YeshaYahu (Isaiah) 42:8 YHWH tells us that He will not share His glory with another. I am YHWH, that is My Name; and My glory I will not give to another... and Yochanan (John) 10:30 Yahshua tells us that He and His Father are one, therefore, we know that Yahshua will not share His glory with another either.) I and My Father are one."
(We also see that there will be a number of restrictions placed upon the Righteous Leader, which would never apply to our Messiah under any stretch of the imagination.)
Yehezqel (Ezekiel) 44:1-3 (This is a clear reference to the Righteous Leader.) Then He brought me back to the outer gate of the sanctuary, which faces toward the east, but it was shut. And YHWH said to me, "This gate shall be shut; it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter by it, because YHWH Elohim of Israel (the Messiah) has entered by it; therefore it shall be shut. (Until He, Himself shall enter it again at His second coming) As for the prince (nahsee), because he is the prince (nahsee), he may sit in it (on the inner side) to eat bread before YHWH; he shall enter by way of the vestibule of the gateway, and go out the same way." The word �prince� in verse 3 is �Nah-see�. As for the prince, because he is the prince, he may sit in it to eat bread before YHWH; he shall enter by way of the vestibule of the gateway, and go out the same way."
Here, �prince� is a reference to the Righteous Leader. This verse clearly states that the righteous leader is to �enter by way of the �porch� (New Amer. Stand.), or the �vestibule� (Amplified Version), or the �portico� (New International Version) and that he, the �Prince� (the �nasi� or �governor�) may not enter through the Eastern Gate. The obvious point of the Scripture is that this �nasee� (the Governor) is not the Messiah. The word translated as �portico, porch, or vestibule" is the Hebrew word, �ulam� [Strong�s # 197: from #481, "in the sense of tying; a vestibule (as bound to the building); a porch.�] Thus, according to Strong�s Concordance, the �portico� is not a �gate.� The Righteous Leader may eat his meals on the inner side of the main gate but he is not permitted to go through the gate --- a right reserved only for the Messiah.)
In contrast, the word �prince� in Isaiah 9:5 is �sar� . Isaiah 9:5 For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty El, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. (A ref. to Messiah)
But when we read in Ezekiel 46, we see that it could not be speaking of our Messiah. Yehezqel (Ezekiel) 46:16-18 (Here, �prince� is clearly a reference to the Righteous Leader)
�Thus says YHWH Elohim: �If the prince (nahsee) gives a gift of some of his inheritance to any of his sons, it shall belong to his sons; it is their possession by inheritance.
But if he gives a gift of some of his inheritance to one of his servants, it shall be his until the year of liberty, after which it shall return to the prince (nahsee). But his inheritance shall belong to his sons; it shall become theirs. Moreover the prince (nahsee) shall not take any of the people's inheritance by evicting them from their property; he shall provide an inheritance for his sons from his own property, so that none of My people may be scattered from his property.� "
This prince must abide by certain rules. He will procreate actual sons. He cannot give permanent gifts to any except his sons. He cannot take people�s property by eviction. Thus, he is limited to give from his own property only. This person called the �prince� in Ezekiel 46, will also be given the privilege of offering sacrifices in the Millennial Temple.
Yehezqel (Ezekiel) 46:4-8 (Again, this is a reference to the Righteous Leader.) The burnt offering that the prince (nahsee) offers to YHWH on the Sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish; and the grain offering shall be one ephah for a ram, and the grain offering for the lambs, as much as he wants to give, as well as a hin of oil with every ephah. On the day of the New Moon it shall be a young bull without blemish, six lambs, and a ram; they shall be without blemish.
I did not address the question about temple sacrifices simply because of the length of this. I do hope this gave some enlightenment this was truly a tremendous study for me� so thank you.
Unbelief of the Jew vs. The Faithfulness of God...
Posted : 14 Oct, 2009 10:57 AM
Shalom,
I�m sorry I made that confusing, basically my whole answer was showing how �the prince� in 64:17-18 is not Messiah and the Biblical proof of that. However, �the prince� in 34 is clearly prophecy of Messiah. God through the Prophet Ezekiel pronounces judgment on the leaders (shepherds) of the people (flock) of Israel, because they have not taken care of the weak but exploited them for their own gain and have brought the people to ruin by their disobedience to God's commands, then God goes on to give a promise through the mouth of Ezekiel, which is found in Ezekiel chapter 34:
7 "'Therefore, shepherds, hear the word of ADONAI: 8 "As I live," Adonai ELOHIM swears, "because my sheep have become prey, my sheep have become food for every wild animal, since there was no shepherd, since my shepherds didn't look for my sheep, and instead my shepherds fed themselves but not my sheep," 9 therefore, shepherds, hear the word of ADONAI! 10 Adonai ELOHIM says, "I am against the shepherds. I demand that they hand my sheep back to me. I will not allow them to feed the sheep, and they won't feed themselves either. I will rescue my sheep from their mouths; they will be food for them no longer." 11 "'For here is what Adonai ELOHIM says: "I am taking over! I will search for my sheep and look after them, myself. 12 Just as a shepherd looks after his flock when he finds himself among his scattered sheep, so I will look after my sheep. I will rescue them from all the places where they were scattered when it was cloudy and dark. 13 I will bring them back from those peoples, gather them from those countries and return them to their own land. Then I will let them feed on the mountains of Isra'el, by the streams and in all the livable places of the land. 14 I will have them feed in good pastures; their grazing ground will be on the high mountains of Isra'el. They will rest in good grazing grounds and feed in rich pastures on Isra'el's mountains. 15 Yes, I will pasture my sheep; and I will let them rest" says Adonai ELOHIM. 16 "I will seek the lost, bring back the outcasts, bandage the broken, and strengthen the sick. But the fat and the strong I will destroy - I will feed them with judgment."
17 "'As for you, my flock,' Adonai ELOHIM says this: 'I will judge between sheep and other sheep, between rams and billy-goats. 18 Wasn't it enough for you to feed on the best pasture and drink from the clearest water? Did you have to trample the rest of the pasture and foul the remaining water with your feet? 19 So now my sheep eat what you have trampled with your feet and drink water fouled by your feet.' 20 Therefore here is what Adonai ELOHIM says to them: 'I will judge between the fat sheep and the thin sheep. 21 Because you push them with your flanks and shoulders and butt all the weak ones with your horns, till you scatter them in every direction; 22 therefore I will save my flock; they will no longer be prey; and I will judge between sheep and other sheep. 23 "'I will raise up one shepherd to be in charge of them, and he will let them feed - my servant David. He will pasture them and be their shepherd. 24 I, ADONAI, will be their God; and my servant David will be prince among them. I, ADONAI, have spoken. (CJB)
Hopefully everyone could see that God is promising to do something HIMSELF. "I myself will tend my sheep..."(verse 15) and "I will shepherd the flock..."(17) and will be the good shepherd of the people of Israel in contrast to the evil leaders they have had. (18 times "I will" in these verses!) and He did�.
John 10:24-31�..If you are the Messiah, tell us publicly!" 25 Yeshua answered them, "I have already told you, and you don't trust me. The works I do in my Father's name testify on my behalf, 26 but the reason you don't trust is that you are not included among my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice, I recognize them, they follow me, 28 and I give them eternal life. They will absolutely never be destroyed, and no one will snatch them from my hands. 29 My Father, who gave them to me, is greater than all; and no one can snatch them from the Father's hands. 30 I and the Father are one." (CJB)
Unbelief of the Jew vs. The Faithfulness of God...
Posted : 16 Oct, 2009 10:23 AM
Um...don't you have to believe Jesus died for your sins to be saved? Don't you have to believe Jesus is the Son of God? The Jews don't believe Jesus was the Son of God. That's an anti-Christ belief. Are you saying all the Jews will be in heaven? Or just the ones that believe in Jesus? Because technically...if you don't believe in Jesus you are cut off the vine, i.e: no longer part of Israel...right? The gentiles were grafted in..."made part of Israel", and the Israelites that don't believe are cut off..."not part of Israel". Is there something wrong with my reasoning here? So Non-messianic Jews that die non-messianic Jews...will they be in heaven since "all Israel will be saved"? Or is it talking about the anyone that accepts Jesus, and continues in their christian walk by not falling into unbelief/getting cut off?
