Author	Thread: Understanding Scripture
Ohiograce^ View Profile History	Understanding Scripture Posted : 24 Sep, 2022 03:55 PM If we take verses and passages out of context to prove our point, how does that make us any different from those who do the same thing when they teach error? In our discussion with those people, not only are we being dishonest before God with His Word, but we just show the false teachers that we are just like them. Think about it. Post Reply
Ohiograce^ View Profile History	Understanding Scripture Posted : 24 Sep, 2022 06:32 PM I grew up in a church that taught doctrine as doctrine. I have attended churches who do that. They don't really teach the Scriptures. They only use the Bible to teach their doctrinal statements. They do teach truth. But it is limited to using Scriptures to teach THEIR conclusions. Conclusions can be true or false. When we deal with false teaching, we have to show what Scripture teaches in context. False teachers always say, "well, that's your interpretation!" What does Scripture say? It isn't what any teacher or preacher says. Something isn't the truth just because someone says it. even paul was challenged by his hearers. Acts 17:11-And these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, receiving the word with all readiness of mind, daily searching the scriptures if these things were so.   Every teacher/preacher should expect to be challenged. indeed, they should want to be held accountable to the Word. If a teacher/preacher has the attitude that they should never be challenged as to the Truth, then that is a bad sign in and of itself. They have the attitude they already have it all. You need to run from those people. Post Reply
Ohiograce^ View Profile History	Understanding Scripture Posted : 25 Sep, 2022 04:28 AM I Corinthians 14:26 what is it then, brothers and sisters? when you come together, each one of you has a song, has a teaching, has a language, has a revelation, has an interpretation. all things should be done for building up. 14:29 And two or three prophets should speak, and the others should judge. 14:30 If anything is revealed to another sitting by, the first should be silent. There is not one person who monopolizes the time when the saints gather. He mentions "each one" has something to offer. Then he focuses on the one who speaks a language (verse 27), the one who interprets (verse 28) and the prophets (verse 29). He does that because of the problem with speaking in languages (verses 1-25). the corinthian believers were more interested in speaking in these languages than they were in building up the Body. Verse 29 indicates that the whole gathered Body judges what is said by those who have prophesied. Verse 30 indicates that the one speaking has to be silent so others can make their contribution. There is no one person who is hogging the show. These verses certainly show that the whole concept of one person, who stands in front, controlling it all is false. Where are the gathered saints who practice these things? Post Reply
Ohiograce^ View Profile History	Understanding Scripture Posted : 25 Sep, 2022 04:55 AM "II Timothy 2:15 I'm in the process of writing an article about this verse considering the larger context of II Timothy. This verse is written specifically to Timothy. It also has nothing to do with reading or studying. Paul is concerned that Timothy is on the edge of collapsing in the face of persecution. In 1:7 Paul reminds him that God did not give them a spirit of cowardice. What God did do was give them a spirit associated with power, love and spiritual common sense (a sound mind, healthy thinking). Paul doesn't want Timothy to be ashamed. In 1:8 Paul tells Timothy, don't be ashamed. In 1:12 he gives his own example as he says, I am not ashamed. In 1:16 Paul says, Onesiphorus was not ashamed of my chain. Without a doubt, this is an example for us. But only if we understand that it isn't about reading or studying the Bible. Darby's translation says to strive diligently. The word "study" had a different meaning in the 1500's and 1600's. It's about standing up and suffering hardship in the face of persecution. Paul is facing death. Timothy is wavering. Timothy needs to give it all he's got. Paul is essentially telling Timothy not to cave in or run away. Be diligent, Timothy, to present yourself approved to God, an unashamed worker. A good thought for believers in any country or at any time." Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	Understanding Scripture Posted : 25 Sep, 2022 07:50 AM I agree with much Plymouth Brethren teaching. The Bible clearly encourages those gifted by the Holy Spirit to express their gifts. I also agree the “one man show” is unbiblical. But the success of Plymouth Brethren assemblies is largely dependent on leadership. Elders should be biblically qualified and competent. Post Reply
Quiznos View Profile History	Understanding Scripture Posted : 25 Sep, 2022 08:31 AM @ohio Ohio, i thank Yeshua for giving you insight into how the so called pastors and so called worship bands usurp and waste the time necessary for the people that have been empowered of the Holy Spirit to prophesy, teach, edify etc. the body of believers. Thus the body of believers is grieved, as the Holy Spirit is grieved. The believers leave wondering when they will have the chance to edify the body.These SELF appointed people calling themselves pastors,live in fear that the Holy Spirit will raise up others( elders) to take their place, thus they will lose their paychecks, and their hold over the people. Ohio, i have seen this, i also have seen these men have no idea who Messiah is, or what He is lile, they also do not understand the Gospel,or the Grace of GOD Almighty. Post Reply
Quiznos View Profile History	Understanding Scripture Posted : 25 Sep, 2022 08:34 AM Or what He is like( not lile. Big fingers, small keys to type with,hehe). Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	Understanding Scripture Posted : 25 Sep, 2022 09:48 AM Ohio, would you expand on the verse you quoted: “And two or three prophets should speak, and the others should judge”— specifically in reference to the “... the others should judge.” I think this point has been largely ignored because most Christians, especially false Christians, cry foul at the very thought of having their teaching evaluated or “judged”. Post Reply
Moonlight7 View Profile History	Understanding Scripture Posted : 26 Sep, 2022 04:21 AM God knows who his Believers of Truth are! Men who try to destroy God's Truth should be refuted. Don't run like a jack rabbit from conflict !! Jesus didn't he had Wisdom and knowledge of God ! Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	Understanding Scripture Posted : 28 Sep, 2022 01:25 PM OhoGrace, I read Alan’s blog. Although I agree the modern translations do select more up to date language suited for the modern reader, nevertheless, I believe the passage and its context, at the very least, does imply study. I say this because Timothy is encouraged to “cut straight” the meaning of scripture. Timothy cannot do that without some kind of study? I’m not saying you deny study but you seem to be saying the 2 Timothy 2:15 passage has nothing to with study, ie devotion of time to learn. That fact motivates me ask if your interpretation is based on a dispensational preference? On last question, do you believe “rightly dividing” the word means the same as “dividing” the Bible into dispensations? Post Reply