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Posted : 8 Oct, 2009 03:09 AM

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1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: {in: or, concerning} 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him. 16 If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin : and there is a sin not unto death.



you see this is addressed to the believers not the world for it says "your brother" which is male or female...

we can sin a sin unto death..

they way we can do this is if we chose , once we have been saved, to sin with know that what we are doing is against the commandments of God, then there is no remission for that sin.





here what the Word says is required for forgiveness



lev 4:20

20 Thus shall he do with the bullock; as he did with the bullock of the sin-offering, so shall he do with this; and the priest shall make atonement for them, and they shall be forgiven . 21 And he shall carry forth the bullock without the camp, and burn it as he burned the first bullock: it is the sin-offering for the assembly. 22 When a ruler sinneth, and doeth unwittingly any one of all the things which Jehovah his God hath commanded not to be done, and is guilty; 23 if his sin, wherein he hath sinned, be made known to him, he shall bring for his oblation a goat, a male without blemish. 24 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the goat, and kill it in the place where they kill the burnt-offering before Jehovah: it is a sin-offering. 25 And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin-offering with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt-offering; and the blood thereof shall he pour out at the base of the altar of burnt-offering. 26 And all the fat thereof shall he burn upon the altar, as the fat of the sacrifice of peace-offerings; and the priest shall make atonement for him as concerning his sin, and he shall be forgiven . 27 And if any one of the common people sin unwittingly, in doing any of the things which Jehovah hath commanded not to be done, and be guilty; 28 if his sin, which he hath sinned, be made known to him, then he shall bring for his oblation a goat, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned. 29 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin-offering, and kill the sin-offering in the place of burnt-offering. 30 And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt-offering; and all the blood thereof shall he pour out at the base of the altar. 31 And all the fat thereof shall he take away, as the fat is taken away from off the sacrifice of peace-offerings; and the priest shall burn it upon the altar for a sweet savor unto Jehovah; and the priest shall make atonement for him, and he shall be forgiven .





the key's here are underlined ; 1st the word unwittly very important it is without knowledge that they where comminting a sin against the Ten commandment not the law...we as the people of God are still under the commandments ,we gentiles where never under the law! selah!



very important to note



nowhere does it stay forgiveness for a sin committed willing or knowingly.





31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven . 32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in that which is to come. 33 Either make the tree good, and its fruit good; or make the tree corrupt, and its fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by its fruit. 34 Ye offspring of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. 35 The good man out of his good treasure bringeth forth good things: and the evil man out of his evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. 36 And I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.



an example in the church is teaching on adultery;



it teaches that for a person to be saved that they only need a golden ticket

the blood of the Lamb but there rest of scriptures tell us otherwise,we as followers of the Christ must obey the ten commandments like the old testment says one of the commandments is do not commit adultery... if a person did this INTENSIONALLY WITH KNOW OF THE COMMANDMENTS ,there was no forgiveness for the repentance of sin...



romans 5:8 But God commendeth his own love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath [of God] through him. 10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, shall we be saved by his life; 11 and not only so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation. 12 Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin ; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned:-- 13 for until the law sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the trespass, so also [is] the free gift. For if by the trespass of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God, and the gift by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound unto the many. 16 And not as through one that sinned, [so] is the gift: for the judgment [came] of one unto condemnation, but the free gift [came] of many trespasses unto justification. 17 For if, by the trespass of the one, death reigned through the one; much more shall they that receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one, [even] Jesus Christ. 18 So then as through one trespass [the judgment came] unto all men to condemnation; even so through one act of righteousness [the free gift came] unto all men to justification of life. 19 For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the one shall the many be made righteous. 20 And the law came in besides, that the trespass might abound; but where sin abounded, grace did abound more exceedingly: 21 that, as sin reigned in death , even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin , that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. We who died to sin , how shall we any longer live therein? 3 Or are ye ignorant that all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death ? 4 We were buried therefore with him through baptism unto death : that like as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with [him] in the likeness of his death , we shall be also [in the likeness] of his resurrection; 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be done away, that so we should no longer be in bondage to sin ; 7 for he that hath died is justified from sin . 8 But if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him; 9 knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death no more hath dominion over him. 10 For the death that he died, he died unto sin once: but the life that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11 Even so reckon ye also yourselves to be dead unto sin , but alive unto God in Christ Jesus. 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey the lusts thereof: 13 neither present your members unto sin [as] instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves unto God, as alive from the dead, and your members [as] instruments of righteousness unto God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under law, but under grace.



15 What then? shall we sin , because we are not under law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye present yourselves [as] servants unto obedience, his servants ye are whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death , or of obedience unto righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that, whereas ye were servants of sin , ye became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching whereunto ye were delivered; 18 and being made free from sin , ye became servants of righteousness. 19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye presented your members [as] servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity, even so now present your members [as] servants to righteousness unto sanctification. 20 For when ye were servants of sin , ye were free in regard of righteousness. 21 What fruit then had ye at that time in the things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death . 22 But now being made free from sin and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto sanctification, and the end eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death ; but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.



you must chose to pick up your cross

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sin unto death
Posted : 8 Oct, 2009 05:38 AM

Yes you can sin unto death,no you cant lose your salvation(if you really have it)



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Steve

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sin unto death
Posted : 8 Oct, 2009 07:39 AM

steve i must disagree...it is certanly possible to lose your salvation once you have it. once saved is not always saved. dont have time or energy to get into it at the moment, but i would certainly be willing to discuss with you via message/email if you like...



and on the subject of "sin unto death"...kind of touches on loss of salvation as well actually...- once we have been saved and made righteous through christ - placed in a place of righteousness through NO WORK OF OUR OWN - there is no single act or series of acts that can remove us from that place of righteousness save rejection of christ. who are we to think that our actions are enough to move us from a place of righteousness that god has placed us in. just as none of our acts are good enough to bring us salvation save belief in christ and acceptance of his sacrifice on the cross, so none of our acts are bad enough to remove us from salvation save rejection of christ.

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sin unto death
Posted : 8 Oct, 2009 08:05 AM

Salvation isn't for the afterlife but for our peacefull walk here on earth. Isaiah 1:16 says if we repent God will clean us white as snow...that is salvation!

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Posted : 9 Oct, 2009 06:05 AM

Well P.C.



Im sure Im just as thouroghly convinced of my position as you are of yours,so,no thanks,Ive been arguing on here for weeks!But I will take some of that pizza man,that looks good!



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sin unto death
Posted : 12 Oct, 2009 04:36 PM

What about Hebrews 6:4-6 and 10:26-31? They could very well indicate the "sin unto death". (These are the passages that continue to send chills down my spine.)



"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God and put Him to an open shame." (Hebrews 6:4-6 NKJV)



"For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know Him who said, 'Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,' says the Lord. And again, 'The LORD will judge His people.' It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." (Hebrews 10:26-31)

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