I’ve recently run across several individuals who have either claimed sinlessness, or strongly argued that sinlessness (also known as sinless perfection and entire sanctification) is achievable. Even without studying what the Bible says about the possibility of sinlessness, simple observation of people attempting to live the Christian life causes me to seriously doubt the concept. Observation of people who claim sinlessness absolutely reinforces my doubt.
The only person the Bible describes as sinless is Jesus Christ (2 Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 4:15; 1 Peter 2:22). Every other major character in the Bible is flawed. At times, the Bible seems to go out of its way to point out the sins of significant people in the Bible. One would think that if sinlessness is possible, the Bible would give us an example of someone who achieved it.
And then there are verses such as the following:
“Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins” (Ecclesiastes 7:20).
“…and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors” (Matthew 6:12).
“If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” (1 John 1:8).
I could perhaps dismiss Ecclesiastes 7:20 since it is old covenant. Matthew 6:12, though, is Jesus instructing us how to pray. If Jesus told us to ask God for forgiveness, it would seem we will always need forgiveness. And, in 1 John 1:8, John, when he says “we” and “us,” is referring to himself and other believers. The apostle whom Jesus loved recognized that he was not sinless, and apparently did not even consider the idea that someone to whom he was writing might be sinless.
Some point to Jesus’ instructions to “go and sin no more” in John 5:14 and 8:11 as evidence for the possibility of sinlessness. But there is a difference between what is supposed to be our goal and what the reality of our existence tells us. Of course, sinlessness is supposed to be our goal. In Matthew 5:48 Jesus says, “You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” Sinless perfection is the goal we should all be striving towards.
Until we are glorified in God’s presence in heaven, though, we will still inhabit a sin-infected body. The struggle against our flesh is constant, even for the most mature Christian (Romans 7:15–24). In the Christian life, we should progressively achieve greater and greater victory over sin, but our battle against sin will not end this side of eternity.
Some want to hold on to the possibility of sinlessness for a more practical reason. They claim, “If you tell people sinlessness is impossible, they won’t strive for it.” This claim fails for two primary reasons. First, the Bible does not teach that sinlessness is possible, so it doesn’t matter if people would be discouraged at the impossibility. We can’t lie to people in order to motivate them.
Second, we strive for perfection in many aspects of life all the while knowing we will never achieve it. Every athletic team tries to win every game, but only those suffering from delusion truly believe they will always and forever win every game. They try to win every game even though they know it ultimately is not possible. The same is true in the Christian life.
The people in my life whom I would describe as the most spiritually mature would never claim sinlessness. In fact, part of true spiritual maturity is being cognizant of the subtle sins in your life. True progress in the Christian life is honestly and humbly recognizing how much further you must go.
If you think you have arrived at sinlessness, think again. Unless you have arrived in heaven at the feet of Jesus, you still have work to do.
“Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when He appears we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him as He is.” (1 John 3:2)
Title of thread - 'Is Sinlessness possible' Short answer is YUP!!!
John say this and according to mooncakes John is not only claiming 'sinless perfectionism' (only by the accusational words of littledavid and mooncakes though! ) but is also a 'false teacher' and 'LIAR' according to her and her son littledavid!
For the INSPIRED JOHN says in 1 John 3:9! ' Whosoever is born of YHWH >>>doth not commit sin;<<< for His seed remaineth in him/her: and >>>he/she cannot sin<<<, because he/she is born of YHWH.'
Yup readers, John just ANHILATED the false teaching of mooncakes and her son littledavid in ONE SWEEPING VERSE (let alone what the rest of the Bible has to say about the subject!) about their supposed teaching that SINLESS SAINTS will always keep sinning this side of heaven until the are turned in NON thinking robots one day, says the DEVIL in them!
The CULT article goes on to state - 'If you think you have arrived at sinlessness, think again. Unless you have arrived in heaven at the feet of Jesus, you still have work to do.'
Did you catch what was said but was not said because you would catch on the CULT teaching if they actually did say!!!???
That the PAGAN named 'jesus/zues' will FORCE YOU TO STOP SINNING WHEN YOU ARE AT HIS FEET!
You cannot miss the CULT message here - that the Messiah Yah'shua will change you into a non thinking, no CHOOSING ROBOT for your own good!
Another CULT quote - 'Until we are glorified in God’s presence in heaven, though, we will still inhabit a sin-infected body.'
So the CULT article tells us its the BODY that is the whole problem and does not understand the symbolism of the Bible that its not the BODY that sins but the person'soul in that body by way of MIND (and even the symbol of a heart) in thinking that sins! So according to the CULT article in teaching, in heaven ONLY the body is changed (its infected by sin the CULTIST say! Its the whole problem they CULTLY say!) and the mind where the decisions are made is NOT changed or FORCED to be changed BEFORE going to heaven according the CULT article???
AGAIN the CULT article goes on to say and NOW claims with out quoting John in FULL CONTEXT and MEANING yet claiming he has contradictions!!!
QUOTE OF CULT ARTICLE - And, in 1 John 1:8, John, when he says “we” and “us,” is referring to himself and other believers. The apostle whom Jesus loved >>>recognized that he was not sinless<<< (He did?? YET wrote 1 John 3:9???), and apparently did not even consider the idea that someone to whom he was writing might be sinless. ( I beg your pardon, read 1 John 3:9!)'
So what is this verse this CULTIST article writer LEAVES OUT of his CULTLY posts???
John 3:9! ' Whosoever is born of YHWH >>>doth not commit sin;<<< for His seed remaineth in him/her: and >>>he/she cannot sin<<<, because he/she is born of YHWH.'
CASE CLOSED, artcle writer works for his father SATAN!!!
Teddy - its been a long time, but i am back and see that you persist in making trouble. WE are not the people to be concerned about... its the New Christian who has joined the group looking for truth. Its a sinful person who is trying his/her best to change their heart & personality. Your bullying makes it hard for the newcomer to understand the Bible. My father used to tell me (as was a saying of that particular time) if you cant say something nice, don't say anything at all. I struggle to find ANY post you make that contains sympathy, empathy, concern or kindness. And NO, sinlessness is not possible.
Are you blind Alligator, scroll up above your last post and do you see any name calling from littledavid???????????????????????????????????? GEESH!
Well well, the Alligator name you claim is the PERFECT name for you then, claiming to be calling someone out BUT BEING BAISED on the name calling, insults and YES un-kindness from all of them, including me, while you swim around in your self righteous swamp choosing your BAISED type of 'food' and SELECTED prey? Right readers? Everyone KNOWS there is LOTS of name calling including mooncakes (that changed her profile name from cupcake to moonlight, as well as her age to deceive men on this dating site and both Jayzeee and I and many others KNOW her well!) and tinydavid also, so if you are now claiming to be the mother hen of this forum, then by all means be fair and CALL EVERBODY OUT! Got it there Alligator LIPS!? So what's up with YOUR FILTHY biased Alligator LIPS chomping on just certain persons??? You seem to have a HISTORY reading comprehension problem from LONG AGO, knowing littledavid STARTED the belittling name calling and is CURRENTLY doing so (so am I), so what's up with your selective blindness??? I will promise you this, like I have said before many times, if moonlight and littledavid KNOCK off the name calling and belittling language and I WILL STOP mine that is meant to teach them a lesson from the beginning, GOT IT? I'm waiting to see your self appointed' police work' (even though biased yet at your last post) to begin starting NOW after my post here!!! OK?
Lets look at WHAT is actually bothering you Alligator!!! Shall we? In another thread I posted this dear readers -
QUOTE of Ted - 'Alligator, when you say - 'I remember you David and you were ALWAYS kind' you will find many women on this forum that disagree with you, namely recently Mitzyme and long time Jayzeee they know him WELL, NOT to be a kind person!
Quote of Mitzyme - 'No wonder people here don't get engaged in Bible conversation because of people like this littledavid!!!'
Truth hurts doesn't it Alligator biased LIPS!
QUOTE of Ted - 'Yeah Mitzyme was asking a simple question of where the word planet is found in the Bible and littledavid says its in Gen. 1:16 (LOL!) but reading it, it says NOTHING of 'orbiting planets' in the verse! So then he attempts to link her with me by belittling her because she agrees with me, saying we would make a great team because she simply ask did this planet thing come from nasa, of which of course it did not originate with nasa but that they also adopted it from the PAGAN copernican system model teaching outside Scripture! So just because I agree with her we are a team and she was belittled by littledavid, reading into her things she never said! He does this all the time and even Morgan is offended by littledavids reading into his posts, belittlement comments and judgments!' And you claim he is a KIND man Alligator??? REALLY Alligator baised LIPS!?
Then the part of my post that REALLY got under your false believing skin - QUOTE of Ted - 'Alligator, when you say your (BAAL worshipping) SUN-day school teacher said about 'God'. Her explanation was 'God' is 3 persons.... like your mother is a Mother, a Wife, and a Daughter. But she is also just one person' Well Father YHWH does have a Son that He made into flesh (found in John chapter 1!) that was originally His very own WORD OF Himself the Father but what of His Holy Spirit that is >>>of<<< Him also!
So is a 'Spirit' a 'person' and you can find that in Scripture??? So two you can see come resurrection day but the other you cannot??? The Bible says the Father returns to earth to get His sinless commandment keeping saints and His Son will be on His right hand side, so is the Holy Spirit on His left hand side??? Why is the Holy Spirit not coming back to earth with the Father and Son? Stayed behind to catch up on laundry, shampoo the carpets in Paradise/Heaven or what???' (LOL!) end quotes of me!
So Alligator, there is an additional jab at the last of post that really bothers your false teaching from long ago I remember QUITE WELL and that is you think 'Paradise' and 'Heaven' are two different locations/places, when the Bible is clear they are THE SAME PLACE! That really bothers you doesn't it that somebody like me disagrees with you (and your love for your WICKED teaching preacher boy of your 'church' you adore!). Right? So why don't you post a Bible study thread on that (with permission from your church of course to think for yourself! ), along with your biased 'police work' of calling certain people out about name calling, unkindness etc etc! OK?
So now readers it makes sense WHAT IS REALLY BOTHERING OLD BAISED Alligator lips!!!
So Alligator says - 'My father used to tell me (as was a saying of that particular time) if you cant say something nice, don't say anything at all.' Good advice , are you listening yet???
Ted says - 'My grandmother used to tell me (as was a saying when she was alive then and not currently sleeping in hell the grave now) if you cant be fair and unbiased to everyone, then don't say anything at all to anyone!' So how do you like those apples, oh wait selective human and animal CHOMPING alligators like you don't eat apples!!! LOL!
So Alligator, I struggle to find ANY post you make as of now that contains FAIRNESS, 'CONCERN' FOR ALL WHO CALL NAMES, and your lack of UNBIASED 'kindness' to ALL here on this forum! Correct readers?
) but is also a 'false teacher' and 'LIAR' according to her and her son littledavid! 
Got it there Alligator LIPS!? 
So what's up with YOUR FILTHY biased Alligator LIPS chomping on just certain persons??? 
You seem to have a HISTORY reading comprehension problem from LONG AGO, knowing littledavid STARTED the belittling name calling and is CURRENTLY doing so (so am I), so what's up with your selective blindness??? 
So then he attempts to link her with me by belittling her because she agrees with me, saying we would make a great team because she simply ask did this planet thing come from nasa, of which of course it did not originate with nasa but that they also adopted it from the PAGAN copernican system model teaching outside Scripture!