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LittleDavid View Profile History	ONCE AGAIN ANTI-TRINITY TEDDYHUGS AND THE HEADLESS PROPHET HAVE INVADED THE FOR WITH HIS FALSE TEACHINGS ABOUT THE TRINITY Posted : 23 Aug, 2022 06:51 AM So here’s setting the record straight Jesus Christ our Creator A biblical defence of the Trinity by Jonathan Sarfati First published in: Apologia 5(2):37–39, 1996 The doctrine of the Trinity is difficult for some people to understand. But this is what God has revealed in Scripture about His own Being, so we should believe it. The doctrine of the Trinity states that in the unity of the Godhead there are three eternal and co-equal Persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the same in essence but distinct in role — three Persons (or three centres of consciousness) and one Being (see diagram, below). The different senses of one-ness and three-ness mean that the doctrine is not self-contradictory. This is similar in principle to saying that the navy, army, and airforce are three distinct fighting entities, but are also one armed service. NB: this is not to suggest that the three persons are ‘parts’ of God. Indeed, each Person has the fullness of the Godhead (see Colossians 2:9). A better analogy is that space contains three dimensions, yet the dimensions are not ‘parts’ — the concept of ‘space’ is meaningless without all three dimensions. Biblical derivation All things necessary for our faith and life are either expressly set down in Scripture or may be deduced by good and necessary consequence from Scripture. Some cults, such as Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons, and groups known as ‘Oneness’, or ‘Jesus-only’ Pentecostals (not to be confused with mainstream Pentecostals who do believe in the Trinity), are fond of pointing out that the word ‘Trinity’ is not found in the Bible. But the doctrine can be logically proven from the following clear teachings of Scripture as follows: Ancient diagram of the Trinity Ancient diagram of the Trinity; redrawn by artist Debra Bosio Riley—the chosen colours are important, because the additive primary colours of light combine to form white light (see this picture). There is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah 44:8). Note that the Hebrew word for ‘one’ is echad which means composite unity — it is used in Genesis 2:24 where the husband and wife become ‘one flesh’. The word for absolute unity is yachid which is never used of God in the Scripture. The Father is called God (John 6:27, Ephesians 4:6). The Son is called God (Hebrews 1:8. He is also called ‘I am’ in John 8:58 cf. Ex. 3:14 — see below for more biblical proof). He has always existed (John 1:1–3, 8:56–58), but took on full human nature in addition to His divine nature at the Incarnation (John 1:14, Philippians 2:5–11). The Holy Spirit is called God (Acts 5:3–4), and is personal (Acts 13:2), not some impersonal force as the Jehovah’s Witness cult believes. They are distinct, e.g. at the baptism of Jesus in Matthew 3:16–17 all three were present and distinct. The Son is baptized, the Father speaks from Heaven, and the Holy Spirit, in the form of a dove, flies down and lands on the Son. See the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 ‘baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.’ Note that the word ‘name’ is singular, showing that all three Persons are one Being. The distinction in persons within the one God means that it is possible for Jesus to be the ‘one mediator between God and men’ (1 Timothy 2:5), and to be our ‘advocate with the Father’ (1 John 2:1) when we sin. An advocate is a defence lawyer, who pleads our case before a judge. This demonstrates a distinction between the persons. The distinction makes the Substitutionary Atonement possible. How else could Jesus be the One on whom the LORD has ‘laid … the iniquity of us all’ (Isaiah 53:6)? The one laying and the one on whom our sins are laid must be distinct. Jesus said that His Father sent Him (John 14:24) and that the Spirit was sent by both the Father (John 14:26) and the Son (John 15:7). This also points to distinct centres of consciousness within the one God. The fact that Jesus prayed to God the Father (John 17:1) shows there was a distinction between Father and Son. Since Jesus was fully human (as well as fully divine), and humans should pray, it follows that it was proper for Jesus to pray in His humanity. Also, the deity of the Son, Jesus Christ, is further proved by the fact that He has attributes belonging uniquely to God, e.g.: He is the Creator (Colossians 1:16–17). He has the ability to forgive sins (Luke 7:47–50) and judge all people (John 5:27). He sends forth the Holy Spirit (John 15:26). He accepts worship (Hebrews 1:6, Matthew 14:33). He is called ‘Lord’ (Romans 10:9) where ‘Lord’ (kurios) is a translation of the Old Testament Yahweh (= God). (Romans 10:13 cites Joel 2:32 which makes this clear.) And He is identified with the ‘Alpha and Omega’ and the equivalent ‘the first and the last’ (Revelation 1:8, 17–18, cf. Isaiah 44:6). In the Old Testament, He is the Child who is called ‘Mighty God’ and ‘Everlasting Father’ (Hebrew is literally ‘Father of Eternity’, meaning ‘Author of Eternity’) (Isaiah 9:6, cf. 10:21) He would be born in Bethlehem, yet His ‘goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.’ (Micah 5:2) Some Objections to the Trinity Answered Despite the clear Biblical evidence for the Trinity, some cults have objections based on misunderstandings of Scripture. Jesus said: ‘My Father is greater (meizon) than I’ (John 14:28). But this refers to the Father’s greater position in Heaven, not superior nature. Philippians 2:5–11 states that Jesus had equality by nature with God, but voluntarily took on the lower position of a servant. The same arguments apply to related passages about Jesus submitting to His Father’s will. The word ‘better’ (kreitton) would have been used to describe superiority in nature if this is what had been meant. Indeed, kreitton is used to describe Jesus’ superiority in His very nature to the angels (Hebrews 1:4). The distinction can be illustrated in the human realm by the role of the Prime Minister — he is greater than us in position, but he is still a human being like us, so is not better in nature. Jesus is called ‘the firstborn of every creature’ (Colossians 1:15). However, in Jewish imagery, ‘firstborn’ means ‘having the rights and special privileges belonging to the eldest child’. It refers to pre-eminence in rank more than to priority in time. This can be shown in passages where the term ‘firstborn’ is used of the pre-eminent son who was not the eldest, e.g. Psalm 89:27, where David is called ‘firstborn’ although he was actually the youngest son. ‘Firstborn’ does not mean ‘first created’; the Greek for the latter is protoktisis, while firstborn is prototokos. In fact, the verses after Colossians 1:15 show that Christ Himself is the creator of all things. Jesus is Son of God. From this, some cults try to show that Jesus is somehow less than God. But in Jewish imagery, ‘the son of’ often meant ‘of the order of’ or ‘having the very nature of’. For example, ‘sons of the prophets’ meant ‘of the order of prophets’ (1 Kings 20:35); ‘sons of the singers’ meant ‘of the order of singers’ (Nehemiah 12:28). Jesus’ Jewish contemporaries understood that He was claiming to be God, which is why they wanted to kill him for blasphemy (John 19:7). Jesus is the ‘only-begotten Son’ (John 3:16). The Greek word translated ‘only-begotten’ is monogenes, which means ‘unique, one of a kind’. Jesus is the unique Son of God, because he is God by His very nature (see above). Believers in Him become ‘sons of God’ by adoption (Galatians 3:26–4:7). This is shown in the human realm by Hebrews 11:17, where Isaac is called Abraham’s ‘only begotten son’. Abraham had other sons, but Isaac was the unique son of the Abrahamic Covenant (Genesis chapters 15–18, 20), born when his parents were old. References Enns, P., Moody Handbook of Theology, Chicago: Moody, 1989. Return to text. Rhodes, R., Reasoning from the Scriptures with the Jehovah’s Witnesses, Harvest House, 1993. Return to text. McDowell, J., & Larson, B., Jesus: A Biblical Defence of His Deity, East Sussex, UK: Crossway Books, First British Ed., 1991. Return to text. Vine, W. E., Unger M. F., and White Jr., W. , Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, NY: Thomas Nelson, 1985. Return to text. Post Reply
Pipiripi View Profile History	ONCE AGAIN ANTI-TRINITY TEDDYHUGS AND THE HEADLESS PROPHET HAVE INVADED THE FOR WITH HIS FALSE TEACHINGS ABOUT THE TRINITY Posted : 23 Aug, 2022 08:01 AM So dumb!! Why is your Satan trinity doctrine is well-known till the 20th century? Why didn't the apostles and all the other writers in the Bible have never worship 3 gods? Why the Holy Spirit has never been spoken with God the Father, or Jesus Christ God's Son , or both? Where in the Bible can we.see this phrase written: "god holy spirit", "triune god", "three in one god", "trinity"? I know what has happened to you. Because it is written in the Bible. Now many people here can see the error of this false Trinity doctrine. Paul knows that you will BECOME one of this person, and today I see this prophecy completed in your life little boy, and all the others that have seen the truth and rejected it. This is what Paul wrote about yours future: 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12; Galatians 1:1-10. I feel sad for people that read in the Bible, and NOT are following what the Bible teach. Is a shame 😕! Ask yourself, can a trinitarian or any Sunday Keepers could be one of these end times person from Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12? I hope that there is still time to break this hypnosis mind of yours. The sad thing is that God Himself has permitted this to happen to you. Go read again why!! DUMB GENERATION!! Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	ONCE AGAIN ANTI-TRINITY TEDDYHUGS AND THE HEADLESS PROPHET HAVE INVADED THE FOR WITH HIS FALSE TEACHINGS ABOUT THE TRINITY Posted : 23 Aug, 2022 08:37 AM Trinity essence was quite well known since antiquity but it’s taken until late into the 20th century for this old news to catch up you‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️😇😀🤣😆😇😇 Post Reply
Moonlight7 View Profile History	ONCE AGAIN ANTI-TRINITY TEDDYHUGS AND THE HEADLESS PROPHET HAVE INVADED THE FOR WITH HIS FALSE TEACHINGS ABOUT THE TRINITY Posted : 23 Aug, 2022 09:35 AM Pipi You need to be concerned about the false doctrine you are following! SDA That's why you cannot understand Truth of the Bible. You're in the Dark ! Post Reply
Moonlight7 View Profile History	ONCE AGAIN ANTI-TRINITY TEDDYHUGS AND THE HEADLESS PROPHET HAVE INVADED THE FOR WITH HIS FALSE TEACHINGS ABOUT THE TRINITY Posted : 23 Aug, 2022 09:36 AM It's only One God . @Pipi Post Reply
Pipiripi View Profile History	ONCE AGAIN ANTI-TRINITY TEDDYHUGS AND THE HEADLESS PROPHET HAVE INVADED THE FOR WITH HIS FALSE TEACHINGS ABOUT THE TRINITY Posted : 23 Aug, 2022 12:14 PM Yes! But why didn't you Sunday keepers didn't practice it earlier? Yes!! We did!! We were Roman Catholic. But now we have steal one their three in one god, and mixed it with our own Bible plucking verses!! We are thief!! Now we have the satanic teaching better then the Roman Catholic Church. Yuppie!! Me little boy has the greatest unbiblical teaching to the world! WoW!! Everything that I wrote, you cannot find it in the Bible, except the original verse that I plucked to suit my three gods in one. So in reality our trinity doctrine is me, Satan, and the pope!! We are three in one. Just like the true remnant church of God. They are the true trinity of God. So we are Jehovah God, and His Son Jesus Christ, and THEIR church. John 17 Post Reply
Teddyhug^ View Profile History	ONCE AGAIN ANTI-TRINITY TEDDYHUGS AND THE HEADLESS PROPHET HAVE INVADED THE FOR WITH HIS FALSE TEACHINGS ABOUT THE TRINITY Posted : 23 Aug, 2022 12:33 PM mooncakes you have been flapping your LYING FITHY YAP on this forum about the denomination of SDA for many WORTHLESS non proving threads BUUUUUT YET you provide no proof of any particular doctrine they have wrong! I'm NOT an SDA but I defend ANY denomination that is slandered when I have studied their doctrines and so many others denominations, then comes IDIOTS like you coping and pasting GARBAGE that proves NOTHING of any wrong doctrines to this day! Sooooo when are you going to go over the SDA doctrines one by one and we will discuss them to see if they are in error or not ACCORDING TO THE HOLY BIBLE! Got it now? I'm game to looking at them in honesty! This is NOT a copy and paste forum but a Bible discussion part of the forum, so take your propaganda to another part of the forum like - CHEESY manmade doctrines, full of themselves CULTIST followers! OK? Why not start with what Pipiripi asked? Distracting littledavid refuses to answer himself because he is FRIGHTENED that Pipiripi could be right and FULL OF HIMSELF littledavid would have to admit he was wrong, Correct? Or even you mooncakes because of your PRIDE you could not admit you was wrong! Correct? I'm waiting for a simple answer from the Bible where Pipiripi asked the simple question of - REPEAT - 'Why the Holy Spirit has never been spoken with God the Father, or Jesus Christ God's Son , or both?' >>>AND<<< 'Where in the Bible can we see this phrase written: "god holy spirit", "triune god", "three in one god", "trinity"?" By the way Pipiripi! Great SIMPLE questions and posts! So guess what, now comes the distractions and more copy and paste! Right? GEESH such childish brainwashed children impersonating adults!!! YICKS! So where is the evidence in this thread supposedly exposing our 'FALSE TEACHINGS ABOUT THE TRINITY' when it does not exist by those words of 'trinity/triad' in the Bible? When are they going to prove it? They keep on with SAME OLD copy and paste over and over again as if that proves anything, for even the articles say its hard to understand which ONLY applies to them that are indoctrinated and rightly so BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT STUDY THE BIBLE TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT FATHER YHWH can be several places at the same time!!! OMNIPRESENT, so NO MULTIPLE DIETIES ARE NEEDED!!! But YET when you ask simple questions they have ZERO verses to support their claims! Post Reply
Teddyhug^ View Profile History	ONCE AGAIN ANTI-TRINITY TEDDYHUGS AND THE HEADLESS PROPHET HAVE INVADED THE FOR WITH HIS FALSE TEACHINGS ABOUT THE TRINITY Posted : 23 Aug, 2022 12:41 PM I will be honest with you Pipiripi, there is NO place in the Bible where it says the Spirit OF OF OF the Father is ever its own 'god' that can exist on its own! The Bible is very CLEAR that the Holy Spirit PROCEEDS FROM (Comes from!) THE FATHER and NOT FROM THE SON! Sooooo obviously this Holy Spirit belongs to the Father THUS its OF OF OF the Father! Why do they struggle with coming out of babylon teaching where the 'trinity/triad' teachings of the multiple deities 'persons' comes from??? Because they have been indoctrinated like I was in the CULT teaching baptist church about the 'trinity/triad' teachings of the multiple deities 'persons' which also that CULT taught continual sinners get 'eternal life' in a one day made lake of fire! ANOTHER LIE! So what I'm saying is if I can come out of BABYLON where the 'trinity/triad' teachings of the multiple deities and or 'persons' that is taught in sooo many denominations, including some SDA 'churches, then there is hope for mooncakes and littledavid! Right? Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	ONCE AGAIN ANTI-TRINITY TEDDYHUGS AND THE HEADLESS PROPHET HAVE INVADED THE FOR WITH HIS FALSE TEACHINGS ABOUT THE TRINITY Posted : 23 Aug, 2022 12:59 PM This is hilarious‼️‼️ The lying TeddyBug accuses everyone who dares to disagree with him a liar. Ok Bugs, you wanna go over each of your false doctrines >>>one by one<<<⁉️ Which one ya wanna start with⁉️ note to self: watch The 🤥TeddyBug🤥 weasel out of this one too‼️‼️‼️🤣😀😂 wait—do bugs really do the weasel ⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️😇🤣😂🤓😆😊 Post Reply
Teddyhug^ View Profile History	ONCE AGAIN ANTI-TRINITY TEDDYHUGS AND THE HEADLESS PROPHET HAVE INVADED THE FOR WITH HIS FALSE TEACHINGS ABOUT THE TRINITY Posted : 23 Aug, 2022 06:14 PM We can do that tinyinstudydavid when the many other threads that are open now and then are closed because of no participation is going on! I don't hang out here 24?7 like you do and besides you do no work but copy and paste, any IDIOT can do that! Are you going to control your mommy posting a ton of new threads moving our discussions to the second page or more by her LIKEWISE LAZY constant copy and paste like you do? Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	ONCE AGAIN ANTI-TRINITY TEDDYHUGS AND THE HEADLESS PROPHET HAVE INVADED THE FOR WITH HIS FALSE TEACHINGS ABOUT THE TRINITY Posted : 24 Aug, 2022 07:44 AM TeddyBug proved me right again‼️‼️ He just weaseled out of having a point by point debate‼️‼️ Notice the false teaching TeddyBug isn’t against copy and paste if the material copied and pasted agrees with his false teachings ‼️‼️ A true hypocrite ‼️ Post Reply