Author	Thread: "I and the Father are one"
Moonlight7 View Profile History	"I and the Father are one" Posted : 21 Aug, 2022 07:04 PM What did Jesus mean when He said, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30)? I and the Father are one In John 10 Jesus presents Himself as the Good Shepherd and, in a debate with the Jewish leaders, makes the claim, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). It was a bold statement—one His audience found quite audacious—and it reveals much about who Jesus is. Five key observations can be made concerning this passage. First, Jesus claimed to be one with God in the sense of being equal to Him. Jesus did not claim to be merely a messenger or prophet of God, but of equal power with God. Second, His audience understood that Jesus was claiming equality with God the Father. In verse 31, “The Jews picked up stones again to stone him.” Why? Blasphemy was a crime punishable by death according to the Jewish Law. When Jesus asked why they were planning to kill Him, they answered, “For blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God” (John 10:33). If Jesus had been lying or deceived, His statement would have been blasphemous. In fact, the only way His words were not blasphemy is if Jesus was telling the truth about His equality with God. Third, Jesus referred to Himself as God’s Son and to God as His Father (John 10:36–37). He used Psalm 82:6 to show that the Messiah has the right to claim the title “Son of God.” Fourth, Jesus claimed that that Father sent Him: “the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world” (John 10:36). In this statement, Jesus claimed preexistence in the Father’s presence. No biblical prophet had ever made such a claim before; yet Jesus claimed to exist before Abraham (John 8:58). Fifth, Jesus only stated that the Jews did not believe Him; He never said they misunderstood His claim to be God. John 10:38 notes, “Even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” Jesus was not correcting a misunderstanding. They understood what He said perfectly. He was correcting their willful rejection of Him. Colossians 1:16–17 affirms Jesus’ same teaching: “In him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.” John 1:1 explicitly notes that Jesus was both with God in the beginning and was God. In summary, Jesus claimed to be one with the Father as part of a larger argument to note that He had existed from eternity past, lived in perfect oneness with the Father, held the same power as God, and was sent by God the Father’s authority. Unfortunately, He was rejected as divine by the Jewish leaders. Jesus’ claim to have equal power as the Father was not blasphemy. It was the plain truth. Post Reply
Pipiripi View Profile History	"I and the Father are one" Posted : 21 Aug, 2022 08:42 PM So then!! They are only two deity of the Godhead. Not three, because the Holy Spirit was never mentioned in the Bible as a God. Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	"I and the Father are one" Posted : 21 Aug, 2022 08:58 PM You might need a new Bible. One with all the pages in it. Of course the Holy Spirit is God‼️‼️ Maybe you’ve only read the cover. Try looking inside Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	"I and the Father are one" Posted : 21 Aug, 2022 09:08 PM The cover of the Bible says “Bible” but you have to look inside it to find out that the Holy Spirit is God, (the third person of the Trinity) Hope that helps. When are you going to ask Helen to give you your head back⁉️⁉️⁉️🤣😁😅😇 Post Reply
Pipiripi View Profile History	"I and the Father are one" Posted : 22 Aug, 2022 02:57 AM Show US in your open Bible, chapters and verses, where we can read written "God Holy Spirit". Stop playing wise! CHAPTERS AND VERSES!! Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	"I and the Father are one" Posted : 22 Aug, 2022 09:33 AM Once again. >>Did you<< read the article I posted about the Trinity⁉️⁉️ I believe you will find the answer you keep pretending to reach for there. Then let’s talk about your comprehension Post Reply
Teddyhug^ View Profile History	"I and the Father are one" Posted : 23 Aug, 2022 01:03 AM Pipiripi correctly ask - 'Show US in your open Bible, chapters and verses, where we can read written "God Holy Spirit".' AMEN! Littledavid gets confused and thinks his copy and paste articles is a BIBLE folks, for he says - Once again. >>Did you<< read the >>> CULT article<<< I posted about the trinity/triads⁉️⁉️" Folks you just cannot make this stuff up, littledavid thinks an article is a Bible now! Let us take time to pray - Ooooh HOLY ARTICLE in whom I come to read and study to know about your multiple dieties and new worship days, eat anything we want, dog, cats, pork, worms, even manure is now CLEAN to eat!!! LOL! Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	"I and the Father are one" Posted : 23 Aug, 2022 06:38 AM Hahaha, look at this folks‼️‼️ If I copied and posted Hellen (Ellen) White and other false teachers of whom the 🤥TeddyBug🤥 worships, he would be praising me for coping and pasting ‼️‼️ What a lying hypocrite‼️‼️‼️‼️ May as well get used to it my dear false teaching flat earther and mythical unicorn rider, you’ll get even more threads and refutations like those that expose all your flaky false teachings‼️‼️‼️‼️🤣😀😁🤓🤣 Post Reply