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Moonlight7

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Posted : 19 Aug, 2022 12:10 PM

Why is salvation by works the predominantly held viewpoint?





The simple answer is that salvation by works seems right in the eyes of man. One of man’s basic desires is to be in control of his own destiny, and that includes his eternal destiny. Salvation by works appeals to man’s pride and his desire to be in control. Being saved by works appeals to that desire far more than the idea of being saved by faith alone. Also, man has an inherent sense of justice. Even the most ardent atheist believes in some type of justice and has a sense of right and wrong, even if he has no moral basis for making such judgments. Our inherent sense of right and wrong demands that if we are to be saved, our “good works” must outweigh our “bad works.” Therefore, it is natural that when man creates a religion it would involve some type of salvation by works.







Because salvation by works appeals to man’s sinful nature, it forms the basis of almost every religion except for biblical Christianity. Proverbs 14:12 tells us that “there is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death.” Salvation by works seems right to men, which is why it is the predominantly held viewpoint. That is exactly why biblical Christianity is so different from all other religions—it is the only religion that teaches salvation is a gift of God and not of works. “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast” (Ephesians 2:8–9).



Another reason why salvation by works is the predominantly held viewpoint is that natural or unregenerate man does not fully understand the extent of his own sinfulness or of God’s holiness. Man’s heart is “deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked” (Jeremiah 17:9), and God is infinitely holy (Isaiah 6:3). The deceit of our hearts is the very thing that colors our perception of the extent of that deceit and is what prevents us from seeing our true state before a God whose holiness we are also unable to fully comprehend. But the truth remains that our sinfulness and God’s holiness combine to make our best efforts as “filthy rags” before a holy God (Isaiah 64:6; cf. 6:1–5).



The thought that man’s good works could ever balance out his bad works is a totally unbiblical concept. Not only that, but the Bible also teaches that God’s standard is nothing less than 100 percent perfection. If we stumble in keeping just one part of God’s righteous law, we are as guilty as if we had broken all of it (James 2:10). Therefore, there is no way we could ever be saved if salvation truly were dependent on works.



Another reason that salvation by works can creep into denominations that claim to be Christian or say they believe in the Bible is that they misunderstand passages like James 2:24: “You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.” Taken in the context of the entire passage (James 2:14–26), it becomes evident that James is not saying our works make us righteous before God; instead, he is making it clear that real saving faith is demonstrated by good works. The person who claims to be a Christian but lives in willful disobedience to Christ has a false or “dead” faith and is not saved. James is making a contrast between two different types of faith—truth faith that saves and false faith that is dead.



There are simply too many verses that teach that one is not saved by works for any Christian to believe otherwise. Titus 3:4–5 is one of many such passages: “But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit.” Good works do not contribute to salvation, but they will always be characteristic of one who has been born again. Good works are not the cause of salvation; they are the evidence of it.



While salvation by works might be the predominantly held viewpoint, it is not an accurate one biblically. The Bible contains abundant evidence of salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone (Ephesians 2:8–9).





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Posted : 19 Aug, 2022 03:18 PM

Nobody on this forum is claiming WORKS/TORAH LAW saves anyone, including me so why are you posting this SAME subject again in your copy and paste???



TORAH LAW only identifies WHAT sin is (it saves NOBODY but condemns! Got it?) and if the TORAH LAW is 'done away with' you have claimed MANY times on this forum mooncakes, then there IS NO SIN ANYMORE because there IS NO TORAH LAW according to you! GEESH!

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Posted : 19 Aug, 2022 03:40 PM

So why does the author of this copy and paste leave out verse 10 of Ephesians chapter 2???



What follows GRACE by FAITH >>> after<<< the freely given salvation when we were STILL sinners at that point and no longer are but washed of them? Does not GOOD WORKS follow FAITH and that would INCLUDE keeping His TORAH LAW afterward, that we did not do at first but ALL HAVE BROKE IT at some point in our >>>PAST<<< lives?



So what WORKS proves YOUR faith then after the initial free salvation gift? Do you go back to your original sins, denying good works??? FAITH and WORKS go hand and glove! Right?



Its simply that GOOD WORKS that PROVE OUR FAITH after initial salvation!



Speaking of FAITH THEN WORKS! Which can ONLY take place (good works that is!) AFTER initial salvation and conversion! Is not James real clear that WORKS/ACTIONS follows Grace by FAITH??? (see also Ephesians 2:8-10 and CAUTION most CULT and so called 'churches' leave OUT verse 10!). Why not look at CONTEXT of clear Scripture, to see if WORKS proves a Messianic/Christians FAITH today AFTER they are saved from their sins?



James 2:17-24 in CONTEXT!



17. Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.



18. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.



19. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.



20. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?



21. Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?



22. Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?



23. And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.



24. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

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Moonlight7

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Posted : 19 Aug, 2022 05:11 PM

@Teddyhug



Listen up!



Maybe you will learn Works has nothing to do with Salvation.



Fyi ...I can post Truth as often as I like on here.













Is salvation by faith alone, or is salvation by faith plus works? This is perhaps the most important question in all of Christian theology. This question was the cause of the Reformation, the split between Protestantism and Catholicism. This question is a key difference between biblical Christianity and most of the cults. Is salvation through faith alone or through faith plus human works? Stated another way, am I saved by trusting in Jesus, or do I have to believe in Jesus and, in addition, do certain things?



The works in addition to faith needed for salvation differ in various religious circles. Many groups point to water baptism as a work that must be added to faith for salvation—if you’re not baptized, you’re not saved. Some go even further: you must be baptized by the right minister, using the right method, saying the right words.



Others suggest different rites to be observed in order to be saved, but the formula is always faith + [fill in the blank]. Salvation is through faith + receiving Mass, faith + going to confession, faith + tithing, etc.



Many passages of the Bible teach that salvation is through faith alone, not faith plus works. Ephesians 2:8–9, for example, is clearly worded and unequivocal: “It is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast.” Of great importance is the word grace, which refers to God’s blessings on the undeserving. The very idea of grace negates all attempts to earn salvation. Paul makes that argument when teaching on God’s choosing of the remnant of Israel: “Since it is through God’s kindness, then it is not by their good works. For in that case, God’s grace would not be what it really is—free and undeserved” (Romans 11:6, NLT).



Other passages that clearly teach salvation through faith alone include Acts 16:31; Romans 3:28; 4:5; 5:1; Galatians 2:16; 3:24; Ephesians 1:13; and Philippians 3:9.



There are a few Bible passages that, at first glance, seem to teach salvation through faith plus works. One such is James 2:24, which appears to say that justification is by faith plus works: “You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.” This apparent problem is solved by examining the whole of James’ argument in his epistle. James is refuting the idea that a person can have saving faith without producing any good works (see James 2:17–18). Genuine faith in Christ, James says, will produce a changed life and result in good works (James 2:20–26). James is not saying that justification is by faith plus works, but that a person who is truly justified by faith will have good works in his or her life. The works are an outward show of genuine faith in Christ (James 2:14, 17, 20, 26)—and it’s that outward show that “justifies” the believer in the sight of other people.



Paul says those who have true faith in Jesus Christ will be “eager to do what is good” (Titus 2:14). To return to Ephesians 2, immediately after teaching that we are saved through faith, not through works (Ephesians 2:8–9), Paul says that we were created “to do good works” (Ephesians 2:10). Salvation comes by God’s grace through faith, and that faith is made manifest in good works. The works follow the faith and are a proof of it.



If we’re going to say that we are saved by works, we must qualify whose works. We are not saved by our own works, however meritorious they are in our own eyes. We are saved solely by the work of Christ on our behalf. His death and His resurrection are the works that save us. We receive our Savior by faith (John 1:12).





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Moonlight7

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Posted : 19 Aug, 2022 05:14 PM

Hugs



Don't try to teach Anyone on here !



You don't have the knowledge or Wisdom.

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Posted : 19 Aug, 2022 06:26 PM

The TeddyBug is sure energetic in denying his false teachings.



Obviously no false teacher is going to admit he’s a false teacher‼️ We all know that



But while the TeddyBug says with one side of his mouth he’s saved by grace and not by works, the other side of his mouth says we have to keep the Torah law and the Sabbath‼️‼️‼️



It’s like he ignores the entire book of Galatians ‼️‼️‼️‼️

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Posted : 21 Aug, 2022 08:37 PM

Nice WORK Brother!!

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LittleDavid

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Posted : 22 Aug, 2022 09:34 AM

Hey thank you‼️‼️‼️🤣😂😁😊😇

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