Author	Thread: "truly saved"
Ohiograce^ View Profile History	"truly saved" Posted : 8 Apr, 2022 07:41 AM Aren't you troubled by these kinds of phrases? "I know that person is truly saved, that person is really saved, that person is a genuine Christian." Really? If a person is rescued from a burning car and they live to tell about it, was that person "truly" saved? But someone else who was rescued from a burning car and is alive to tell about it, they weren't "truly" saved? Salvation is salvation. If you believe that YOU are saved by grace through faith in Christ without works, why can't you believe that is true for others? Well, you say "they don't believe exactly as I do." "They don't act like it like I do." When you were born, how much did you know? Your mother had to change you and feed you and bathe you. Did you do anything to deserve that? Did you say, mommy, I've been bad, don't feed me or change me? God saved us by grace through faith, without works of any kind. And, certainly, our knowledge at the time of our salvation was imperfect. So, God didn't save us because we had an accurate knowledge of salvation or theological terminology. How can we as Christians say things like that? Paul argues against human wisdom and knowledge in first Corinthians. We need to remind ourselves of who saved us. It's God and not us. 1Corinthians 1:26  For behold your calling, brethren, how that not many wise after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:  27  but God chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put to shame them that are wise; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put to shame the things that are strong;  28  and the base things of the world, and the things that are despised, God chose , and the things that are not, that he might bring to nought the things that are:  29  that no flesh should glory before God.  30  But of him are you in Christ Jesus, who was made unto us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption:  31  that, according as it is written, He that boasts, let him boast in the Lord.  Post Reply
Moonlight7 View Profile History	"truly saved" Posted : 8 Apr, 2022 08:02 AM Any true Believer excepts the truths of the Bible. It's not about just saying you are a Christian. Many are not saved. Too Many people accept False doctrines. The message of the Cross. Jesus Christ and Him crucified is Truth. Post Reply
View Profile History	"truly saved" Posted : 8 Apr, 2022 10:44 AM well like the late great apologist Dr Walter Martin used to say a text without its context is a pretext I know that gets bantered about like a Christian cliche but let's say kelly attends the same church that I do and wants to introduce me to a friend of hers she's known for 20 plus years who is a solid Christian and Kelly says " she's truly saved " I get that Kelly's known her for a long time and by our fruits you will know us yet on the flip side it can be used in a derogatory sense " Pete claims to be a born-again Christian but I wonder if he's truly saved ❓❓" Post Reply
Ohiograce^ View Profile History	"truly saved" Posted : 9 Apr, 2022 01:38 PM Some believers are new Christians. If they are in kindergarten or 1st grade would you expect them to do calculus? But if they have been in the 1st grade for a few years, they need some summer school help. Even those who are in the 12th grade may not live up to their potential. Some students coast through. Paul addresses the corinthians as saints. He calls them babies. Unfortunately, many christians are babies. But when a person is saved, they are saved. there is no distinction between a saved person who walks the walk and a saved person who doesn't walk the walk. they are both "genuinely and truly" saved. but those who do not walk the walk will be saved, but as by fire. col 3:25  But the one that does wrong will receive for the wrong which he has done: and there is no respect of persons.  eph 4:8  Knowing that whatsoever good thing any one does, the same will he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.  1 cor 3:15  If any one's work will be burned, he will suffer loss: but he himself will be saved; yet so as by fire.  Post Reply
Ohiograce^ View Profile History	"truly saved" Posted : 9 Apr, 2022 02:11 PM I can't emphasize this enough. if you believe you are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone, then you are saved. We know from scripture that no believer lives a life of perfection. So that means others got saved the same way you did, by God! They are just as "genuinely and truly" saved as you are. Some christians give lip service to the concept of salvation by grace through faith. They really don't believe it. They add works of one kind or another. Post Reply
Ohiograce^ View Profile History	"truly saved" Posted : 9 Apr, 2022 04:44 PM "The message of the Cross. Jesus Christ and Him crucified is Truth. " That's a true statement, Moonlight. Even those who proclaim a gospel of works say what you said. If Paul proclaimed a gospel of works, no one would have said, shall we sin that grace may abound. No one would have said, let us do evil that good may come. It is only because Paul proclaimed the gospel of Grace without works of any kind, ritual or moral, that he was accused and challenged. If the salvation that God gives us is kept by works, ritual or moral, then it isn't by grace through faith in Christ. Romans 6 and the call to live a life pleasing to God comes after the sin of the human race is laid bare in Romans 1:18-3:20. Gentiles sin and Jews sin. None are righteous, none seek God, indeed we are all destitute and deprived of the glory of God. Then we find that God provides the remedy, being justified(declared righteous) freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. Galatians 1:8  But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach to you contrary to what we preached to you, let that one be accursed. Post Reply