Thread: ⌛time to send teddy bugs to sunday sabbath school 🏫 -- 😉 nothing like some good old fashioned historical quotes to prove a point
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⌛time to send teddy bugs to sunday sabbath school 🏫 -- 😉 nothing like some good old fashioned historical quotes to prove a point
Posted : 19 Mar, 2022 03:23 PM
" by the ROMANS! It may be one of those days when the MODERN ROMANS try to attack the modern sinless saints when they are keeping the 7th DAY Sabbath come the great tribulation TESTING time and the mark of the beast! " -- Teddy bugs 🐛🐞
🙄🙄 first things first sinless saints ❓❓
1 John 1:8 says otherwise
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
🙄🙄 in usual fashion teddy bugs is a hardcore hyper seventh day Sabbath keeper and go so far as to say that those who don't keep it on the seventh day will be punished by Jesus Christ himself for not keeping it
🕵️ 📝the following quotations show that the first Christians from 70 AD to 600 AD. practiced the Sunday Sabbath -- although they are not biblical they give us good historical cooberative testimonies thereby debunking the notion that Jesus Christ in the age of Grace would punish his sheep for celebrating a Sunday Sabbath
so let's take a look 👀
The Didache
“But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned” (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).
The Letter of Barnabas
“We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead” (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).
Ignatius of Antioch
“[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death” (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).
Justin Martyr
“But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead” (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).
The Didascalia
“The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the holy scriptures, and the oblation [sacrifice of the Mass], because on the first day of the week [i.e., Sunday] our Lord rose from the place of the dead, and on the first day of the week he arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week he ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week he will appear at last with the angels of heaven” (Didascalia 2 [A.D. 225]).
Origen
“Hence it is not possible that the [day of] rest after the Sabbath should have come into existence from the seventh [day] of our God. On the contrary, it is our Savior who, after the pattern of his own rest, caused us to be made in the likeness of his death, and hence also of his resurrection” (Commentary on John 2:28 [A.D. 229]).
Victorinus
“The sixth day [Friday] is called parasceve, that is to say, the preparation of the kingdom. . . . On this day also, on account of the passion of the Lord Jesus Christ, we make either a station to God or a fast. On the seventh day he rested from all his works, and blessed it, and sanctified it. On the former day we are accustomed to fast rigorously, that on the Lord’s day we may go forth to our bread with giving of thanks. And let the parasceve become a rigorous fast, lest we should appear to observe any Sabbath with the Jews . . . which Sabbath he [Christ] in his body abolished” (The Creation of the World [A.D. 300]).
Eusebius of Caesarea
“They [the early saints of the Old Testament] did not care about circumcision of the body, neither do we [Christians]. They did not care about observing Sabbaths, nor do we. They did not avoid certain kinds of food, neither did they regard the other distinctions which Moses first delivered to their posterity to be observed as symbols; nor do Christians of the present day do such things” (Church History 1:4:8 [A.D. 312]).
“[T]he day of his [Christ’s] light . . . was the day of his resurrection from the dead, which they say, as being the one and only truly holy day and the Lord’s day, is better than any number of days as we ordinarily understand them, and better than the days set apart by the Mosaic law for feasts, new moons, and Sabbaths, which the apostle [Paul] teaches are the shadow of days and not days in reality” (Proof of the Gospel 4:16:186 [A.D. 319]).
Athanasius
“The Sabbath was the end of the first creation, the Lord’s day was the beginning of the second, in which he renewed and restored the old in the same way as he prescribed that they should formerly observe the Sabbath as a memorial of the end of the first things, so we honor the Lord’s day as being the memorial of the new creation” (On Sabbath and Circumcision 3 [A.D. 345]).
Cyril of Jerusalem
“Fall not away either into the sect of the Samaritans or into Judaism, for Jesus Christ has henceforth ransomed you. Stand aloof from all observance of Sabbaths and from calling any indifferent meats common or unclean” (Catechetical Lectures 4:37 [A.D. 350]
Council of Laodicea
“Christians should not Judaize and should not be idle on the Sabbath, butwork on that day; they should, however, particularly reverence the Lord’s day and, if possible, not work on it, because they were Christians” (Canon 29 [A.D. 360]).
John Chrysostom
“[W]hen he [God] said, ‘You shall not kill’ . . . he did not add, ‘because murder is a wicked thing.’ The reason was that conscience had taught this beforehand, and he speaks thus, as to those who know and understand the point. Wherefore when he speaks to us of another commandment, not known to us by the dictate of conscience, he not only prohibits, but adds the reason. When, for instance, he gave commandment concerning the Sabbath— ‘On the seventh day you shall do no work’—he subjoined also the reason for this cessation. What was this? ‘Because on the seventh day God rested from all his works which he had begun to make’ [Ex. 20:10-11]. . . . For what purpose then, I ask, did he add a reason respecting the Sabbath, but did no such thing in regard to murder? Because this commandment was not one of the leading ones. It was not one of those which were accurately defined of our conscience, but a kind of partial and temporary one, and for this reason it was abolished afterward. But those which are necessary and uphold our life are the following: ‘You shall not kill. . . . You shall not commit adultery. . . . You shall not steal.’ On this account he adds no reason in this case, nor enters into any instruction on the matter, but is content with the bare prohibition” (Homilies on the Statutes 12:9 [A.D. 387]).
“You have put on Christ, you have become a member of the Lord and been enrolled in the heavenly city, and you still grovel in the law [of Moses]? How is it possible for you to obtain the kingdom? Listen to Paul’s words, that the observance of the law overthrows the gospel, and learn, if you will, how this comes to pass, and tremble, and shun this pitfall. Why do you keep the Sabbath and fast with the Jews?” (Homilies on Galatians 2:17 [A.D. 395]).
“The rite of circumcision was venerable in the Jews’ account, forasmuch as the law itself gave way thereto, and the Sabbath was less esteemed than circumcision. For that circumcision might be performed, the Sabbath was broken; but that the Sabbath might be kept, circumcision was never broken; and mark, I pray, the dispensation of God. This is found to be even more solemn than the Sabbath, as not being omitted at certain times. When then it is done away, much more is the Sabbath” (Homilies on Philippians 10 [A.D. 402]).
The Apostolic Constitutions
“And on the day of our Lord’s resurrection, which is the Lord’s day, meet more diligently, sending praise to God that made the universe by Jesus, and sent him to us, and condescended to let him suffer, and raised him from the dead. Otherwise what apology will he make to God who does not assemble on that day . . . in which is performed the reading of the prophets, the preaching of the gospel, the oblation of the sacrifice, the gift of the holy food” (Apostolic Constitutions 2:7:60 [A.D. 400]).
Augustine
“Well, now, I should like to be told what there is in these ten commandments, except the observance of the Sabbath, which ought not to be kept by a Christian” (The Spirit and the Letter 24 [A.D. 412]).
Pope Gregory I
“It has come to my ears that certain men of perverse spirit have sown among you some things that are wrong and opposed to the holy faith, so as to forbid any work being done on the Sabbath day. What else can I call these [men] but preachers of Antichrist, who when he comes will cause the Sabbath day as well as the Lord’s day to be kept free from all work. For because he [the Antichrist] pretends to die and rise again, he wishes the Lord’s day to be held in reverence; and because he compels the people to Judaize that he may bring back the outward rite of the law, and subject the perfidy of the Jews to himself, he wishes the Sabbath to be observed. For this which is said by the prophet, ‘You shall bring in no burden through your gates on the Sabbath day’ [Jer. 17:24] could be held to as long as it was lawful for the law to be observed according to the letter. But after that the grace of almighty God, our Lord Jesus Christ, has appeared, the commandments of the law which were spoken figuratively cannot be kept according to the letter. For if anyone says that this about the Sabbath is to be kept, he must needs say that carnal sacrifices are to be offered. He must say too that the commandment about the circumcision of the body is still to be retained. But let him hear the apostle Paul saying in opposition to him: ‘If you be circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing’ [Gal. 5:2]” (Letters 13:1 [A.D. 597]).
⌛time to send teddy bugs to sunday sabbath school 🏫 -- 😉 nothing like some good old fashioned historical quotes to prove a point
Posted : 23 Mar, 2022 12:11 AM
CULTISTrsvp says - 'first things first sinless saints' and quotes 1 John 1:8 that he claims contradicts two other Biblical witnesses found in 1 John 3:9 and 4:4!!!
CULTISTrsvp claims 1 John 1:8 says otherwise
'If we claim to be without sin (because we claim we have never sinned before!), we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.'
Two Biblical witnesses on point below!
Does Father YHWH offer us a way out from temptation to actually keep from sinning while on earth?
1 John 4:4 'Ye are of YHWH, >>>little children, and have overcome them<<< (and sin!): >>>because greater is He (Father YHWH!) that is in you<<<, than he (satan) that is in the world.'
AMEN!
So what happens to those that are BORN AGAIN and HAVE THE FAITH >>>OF<<< THE MESSIAH, like 'Pipiripi' said in another thread?
1 John 3:9 'Whosoever is >>>born of YHWH doth not commit sin<<<; for his seed remaineth in him: and >>>HE/SHE CANNOT SIN<<<, because he/she is >>>born of YHWH<<<.
So readers why does CULTISTrsvp NOT understand John is simply addressing those in 1 John 1:8 that claim they HAVE NEVER SINNED at some point in their PAST lives and therefore broken Torah Law! Right? Any other interpretation other than that is to say the Bible has contradictions! Right? So why does he READ INTO Scripture things not said, like supposedly the RIGHTOUES are continually sinning??? SAD isn't it that CULTISTrsvp claims the Bible has contradictions! WOWSA!
⌛time to send teddy bugs to sunday sabbath school 🏫 -- 😉 nothing like some good old fashioned historical quotes to prove a point
Posted : 23 Mar, 2022 12:20 AM
So what do we have here by these two witnesses, that are - 'like some good old fashioned historical quotes (from the Bible) to prove a point'
So CULTISTrsvp lost the debate because of his lack of discernment of the CONTEXT of Scripture and lone verse he provided and yet misunderstood! Right?
Ooooh and CULTISTrsvp where in Scripture does it say anything about 'sunday sabbath school ' because that is an OXYMORON as there is no link with a PAGAN day of SUNday/BAALday with the 7th Day Sabbath my CULT infested lad to be 'schooled' in! Got it!
⌛time to send teddy bugs to sunday sabbath school 🏫 -- 😉 nothing like some good old fashioned historical quotes to prove a point
Posted : 23 Mar, 2022 12:30 AM
In closing CULTISTrsvp posts all we need to know, thatSUPPOSEDLY the - 'first Christians from 70 AD to 600 AD. practiced the Sunday Sabbath -- although they are not biblical'!!!
A TRUE CONFESSION that these supposedly 'christians' that were making their own laws 'from 70 AD to 600 AD' in the 'practicing' of a manmade 'SUNday' and or BAAL worship day, NEVER AUTHORIZED by PAUL or ANY of the disciples, nor the Messiah Himself from His Father in heaven!!! OUCH come judgment day!!!
⌛time to send teddy bugs to sunday sabbath school 🏫 -- 😉 nothing like some good old fashioned historical quotes to prove a point
Posted : 23 Mar, 2022 12:19 PM
🤔🤔 Well again Teddy bugs it's just begs a couple of simple question
1️⃣ have you sinned recently like the past couple of days 2 weeks or 2 months ❓❓ if you have and you say you haven't it then that would be a lie and you sinned again
2️⃣ torah laws demand that the violators of The Seventh-Day Sabbath be stoned to death ..... this is commanded by the Lord God..... assuming you haven't stolen anybody to death for violating the seventh day Sabbath does this not mean that God will hold you accountable on the day judgment too ❓❓
⌛time to send teddy bugs to sunday sabbath school 🏫 -- 😉 nothing like some good old fashioned historical quotes to prove a point
Posted : 23 Mar, 2022 10:17 PM
So readers, notice how CULTISTrsvp changes the topic of his very own thread, disrespecting EVEN himself now, but much more the purpose of this part of the forum mean't for Bible discussion, its purpose and he constantly uses it here to push his PRODUCTS (forbidden on this forum in RED letters) like PAGAN DAYS to supposedly keep by REAL Christians that are not PART OF PAGAN ROME (nor this ROMAN made calendar on paper that CULTISTrsvp keeps is NOT for Christians/Messianics because its NOT the Biblical calendar of the Bible!) nor are these paper calendar CULT days even mentioned in the Bible as annual 'feast' days and Sabbaths to even be hinted as being kept by CONVERTS of Paul!!!???
So why does CULTISTrsvp ignore why I called his ERROR out and not admit his shallow interpretation of 1 John 1:8 that says - 'If we claim to be without sin (because we claim we have never sinned before!), we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.' to that of the other two witnesses John also wrote in 1 John 3:9 and 4:4???
John is very clear in his writing in 4:4 that REAL Christians/Messianics can over come sin >>>because greater is He (Father YHWH!) that is in you<<<, than he (satan) that is in the world.' Right readers? AMEN!
John also says in crystal clear teaching found in 1 John 3:9 that those that are BORN AGAIN and HAVE THE FAITH >>>OF<<< THE MESSIAH (and NOT just faith in Him!), like
'Pipiripi' said in another thread and I agree with him! That 'Whosoever is >>>born of YHWH doth not commit sin<<<; for his/her seed remaineth in him/her: and >>>HE/SHE CANNOT SIN<<<, because he/she is >>>born of YHWH<<<!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Right readers? AMEN!
So this PROVES that there is 'nothing like some good old fashioned historical' BIBLE witnesses and 'quotes to prove a point' of the Bible, that John 1:8 DOES NOT 'say otherwise' that Christians/Messianics will continue to live in sin, commit sin every moment in time here on earth and if you don't continue to sin according to CULTISTrsvp, then 'we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us' for this is the UBSURDITY in the teaching of this CULT teacher and why he is correctly identified and called CULTISTrsvp !!!
So since he cannot debate this topic and other witnesses I posted in verses, he then attempts to turn this into a cathoholic confessional and or MASS for sins like cathoholic do on a weekly basis and or even daily by appointment to the poop (LOL!) , as to distract from keeping to the topic of this thread! SADLY, he cannot admit his ERROR of interpretation of John 1:8, let alone him even providing ANY verses that supposedly says 'first Christians, from 70 AD to 600 AD, practiced the SUNday/BAALday' and links this PAGAN 'festival' STRANGELY with the word 'Sabbath' and admits in his own words -- 'although they are not Biblical' and found in the Bible as PROOF'!!!!!! Why is that readers???
Hey CULTISTrsvp, why don't you start a cathoholic confessional thread bragging about your continual sins you claim everybody is doing all the time??? That way you can push your PRODUCT of 'continually sinning perfectionism' and maybe get some satanic 'converts' that you can teach them, the more they sin the more righteous they are! What an idea for your 'church' of satan and you could be head 'elder' and chief 'pope' of the cathoholic confessional for them! Right readers? Good luck with that and your soon departure in the one day made lake of fire because you love the SAME OLD SINS every moment and day you say! Right?
In closing readers, ITS VERY SAD that CULTISTrsvp has his 'conscience seared with a hot iron' and CANNOT understand/DISCERN that John is simply addressing those in 1 John 1:8 that claim they HAVE NEVER broken Torah Law before and therefore NEVER SINNED at some point in their PAST lives! Right? Any other interpretation other than that is to say the Bible has contradictions with verses like 1 John 3:9 and 4:4, as well with MANY other verses of the Bible in its CONTEXT! Right? So why does he READ INTO Scripture things not said, like
supposedly the RIGHTEOUS are continually sinning??? SAD isn't it that CULTISTrsvp claims the Bible has contradictions! WOWSA!
⌛time to send teddy bugs to sunday sabbath school 🏫 -- 😉 nothing like some good old fashioned historical quotes to prove a point
Posted : 23 Mar, 2022 10:23 PM
Also CULTISTrsvp with your change of subject and AGAIN your disrespecting EVEN yourself now and purpose of topic of your thread, you now assume a person is also a 'thief' and 'thief's' always kill people 'to death' as you say for 'violating the seventh day Sabbath' ???
QUOTE of CULTISTrsvp! - 'assuming you haven't stolen anybody to death for violating the seventh day Sabbath'
Right? 
Any other interpretation other than that is to say the Bible has contradictions! 
Right? 
OUCH come judgment day!!! 
, as to distract from keeping to the topic of this thread! 
Right readers?