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the bible made soul man a 🎶 hit song long before 😎😎the blues brothers did
Posted : 11 Mar, 2022 10:22 AM
🙄🙄 dear people of God as you can see once again teddy bugs has sided with the cults i.e. the jehovah witnesses in his quote below
" So where does it all BEGIN in study, THE WONDERFUL TRUTHFUL BIBLE of course, the END OF ALL CULT WEBSITES TO DEATH - Genesis 2:7!!!
NIV - 'Then Father YHWH formed a man[a] from the >dust of the ground< and >>>breathed (from Father YHWH's Holy Spirit!) into his nostrils the breath of life<<<, and the >>>man became a living being.<<<' " teddy bugs 🐛🐞
🙂💯👍🔧 so let's fix this shall we ❓❓ ❗❗😉
Genesis 2:7 is a verse that commonly comes up in discussions with Jehovah’s Witnesses or a variety of other annihilationist groups or individuals who deny that humans have any sort of “soul” that exists after physical death. The verse reads:
“Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being,” (Genesis 2:7).
The Hebrew word translated here as “living being” is the word “nephesh” which is elsewhere translated as “soul.” Indeed, some translations (most popularly the KJV) translate this verse as “man became a living soul.” Thus, this verse supposedly proves that man does not have a soul, rather a living human body is a soul. This argument, however, is rooted in the simple fallacy that if a word is used one way in one verse that it must always be used in that same way everywhere else. Thus, because “soul” doesn’t refer to the part of a person’s being that endures after death in Genesis 2:7, they argue that it cannot mean that anywhere else, which is just linguistically absurd! Words can mean different things in different contexts, and the word “soul” clearly does refer to our enduring spiritual self in some contexts even if it does not in others.
Range of Meaning
Let’s say we wanted to know what the word “right” means in the Bible. We might first come across a verse like:
“Is not the whole land before you? Please separate from me; if to the left, then I will go to the right; or if to the right, then I will go to the left,” (Genesis 13:9).
“Ah,” we might say. “Right is the direction opposite left.” We then notice that this holds true in many other verses as well, such as:
“So now if you are going to deal kindly and truly with my master, tell me; and if not, let me know, that I may turn to the right hand or the left.” (Genesis 24:49).
“Joseph took them both, Ephraim with his right hand toward Israel’s left, and Manasseh with his left hand toward Israel’s right, and brought them close to him,” (Genesis 48:13).
Thus, we decide that it is a rule. That is what “right” means, and we can accept no other biblical definition. Indeed, we could produce hundreds of verses that show that “right” means the direction opposite left. Yet, we would be laughably wrong to suggest that this was the only thing that “right” means. Indeed, quite early on in the Bible, we would also find verses like:
“And I bowed low and worshiped the Lord, and blessed the Lord, the God of my master Abraham, who had guided me in the right way to take the daughter of my master’s kinsman for his son,” (Genesis 24:48).
We could, perhaps, impose our definition on this verse and insist that it meant that God guided him on the “right” way as opposed to the “left” way which he could have gone, but that is obviously not what the verse means. Indeed, as we read on into Exodus, we certainly still find “right” meaning the direction opposite left (Exodus 14:29), but we also find it meaning things like factually correct (Exodus 10:29), morally approved (Exodus 15:26), and even “directly, ” as in “the Egyptians were fleeing right into it,” (Exodus 14:27). Thus, it is just silly to take a verse or even a large group of verses and insist that they prove that a certain word can mean only one specific thing. Most words have a range of meanings depending on the context, and sometimes the range can be rather broad!
The Soul in the Bible
The same rules apply regarding the word “soul” or the underlying words in the original Greek (i.e., psuche) and Hebrew (i.e., nephesh). These words have a wide range of meanings that included “self,” “life,” “person,” and the aspect of a person’s being which we call the “soul.” Just as with the word “right,” finding a bunch of verses that use the word “soul” in one of these ways does not prove that the word always carries only that one meaning. Genesis 2:7 is a good example where the word simply means “a living person.” There are plenty of others that do so. But there are also verses that clearly do not. Later in Genesis, for example, we read “It came about as her soul was departing (for she died), that she named him Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin,” (Genesis 35:18).
Here, the soul is not merely a word for what Rachel is, but rather something that Rachel has that departs when she dies. Jehovah’s Witnesses will say that here the word “soul” just means her “life” (an admission that the word “soul” does indeed have multiple meanings, thus admitting the fallacy of their other argument from Genesis 2:7)
But the Jehovah’s Witness explanation doesn’t quite fit. If the verse simply meant “her life was departing,” the passage would not need to clarify afterward “for she died.” What else could it mean for her life to depart from her? What’s more, the verse falls within a context of other verses where the word “soul” is clearly being used to refer to an inner, conscious aspect of the self, like:
“But Hamor spoke with them, saying, ‘The soul of my son Shechem longs for your daughter; please give her to him in marriage,'” (Genesis 34:8).
“Then they said to one another, ‘Truly we are guilty concerning our brother, because we saw the distress of his soul when he pleaded with us, yet we would not listen; therefore this distress has come upon us,'” (Genesis 42:21).
These verses plainly refer to something other than merely the person’s “life.” Indeed, note how the soul is distinguished from the life of the person in the later words of Uriah to David:
“Uriah said to David, “The ark and Israel and Judah are staying in temporary shelters, and my lord Joab and the servants of my lord are camping in the open field. Shall I then go to my house to eat and to drink and to lie with my wife? By your life and the life of your soul, I will not do this thing,” (2 Samuel 11:11).
The soul is different from David’s life, and indeed the soul itself has a life! Jesus further noted that this soul could not be killed by men even when they kill the body:
“Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell,” (Matthew 10:28).
So, putting all this together, the word soul can refer to an aspect of a person that:
Departs at death
Is connected to our inner life of desires, thoughts, and emotions
Is distinct from our life and itself has life
Is not killed even when the body is killed
This is a pretty good summation of what Christians mean when they speak of the conscious human soul that endures after bodily death. Thus, even though there are plenty of verses that use the word “soul” in other ways, that does not diminish the fact that the Bible also affirms the existence of the “soul” in this traditional sense of a spiritual aspect of the human creature that continues to exist even after we die.
Contrary to Jehovah’s Witness objections, the Bible affirms this concept 😉😉
the bible made soul man a 🎶 hit song long before 😎😎the blues brothers did
Posted : 11 Mar, 2022 10:48 AM
Note dear readers of the CULTISTrsvp own listed verse below!
'Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell,” (Matthew 10:28).'
The CONTEXT of the Bible is a "SOUL" can die but ONLY Father YHWH can KILL (so much for 'eternal torment' CULTISTrsvp ALSO teaches!) that PERSON come judgment day! Here CLEARLY in Scripture we see (regardless of what the CULT JW's teach, remember they keep SUNday to the BAAL 'god' of Egypt jus like CUILTISTrsvp does!!!) both the BODY and the "SOUL/PERSON" that can die and the Bible also says 'the SOUL that sins, it shall DIE" come judgment day!
So what did CUILTISTrsvp prove by this one verse for now, that BOTH 'SOUL' and OR 'PERSON' interchange!!! THERE IS NO VERSE SAYING A HUMAN GETS A 'god' SOUL PUT IN THEM THAT NEVER DIES AND HAD ALWAYS EXISTED!!! ???
the bible made soul man a 🎶 hit song long before 😎😎the blues brothers did
Posted : 11 Mar, 2022 10:56 AM
CULTISTrsvp also CULTLY posts IN HIS OWN WORDS -
Quote - 'Words can mean different things in different contexts, and the word “soul” clearly does refer to >>>our enduring spiritual self<<< in some contexts even if it does not in others.'
Did you catch the SPRITUALISM teaching readers, that we are suppose to have a 'enduring spiritual self' as in a self 'god' within us as a "soul/spirit' according to CULTISTrsvp INDOCTRINATED MIND???
Where is the verse(s) that say we have 'enduring spiritual self' that never dies >>AND<<< that contradicts the Bible that says 'SOULS' DO DIE???
the bible made soul man a 🎶 hit song long before 😎😎the blues brothers did
Posted : 11 Mar, 2022 11:19 AM
Readers lets look at another DECEPTIVE teaching from old reliable satanic CULTISTrsvp!
Quote - 'Later in Genesis, for example, we read “It came about as her soul (or person)was departing (for she died), that she named him Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin,” (Genesis 35:18).'
Quote in CULTISTrsvp's own words - 'Here, the soul is not merely a word for what Rachel is, but rather >something that Rachel has that departs< when she dies.'
REALLY, WHAT A READ INTO SCRIPTURE folks!!! Where did the verse say ANYTHING of another 'god as a soul' inside Rachel that lives on???? ITS NOT THERE! WHAT A FALSE TEACHER this CLOWN is!!!
IN FACT THE BIBLE SAYS ONLY HUMANS CAN EXIST in PARTS >together< as a BODY - SOUL/PERSON - SPIRIT!!
1 Thessalonians 5:23 - And the very YHWH of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray YHWH >>>your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless >>>unto the coming<<< (resurrection day!!!) of our MASTER Messiah Yah'shua.'
Folks, where is all of us as a unit when we die??? IN THE GRAVE until resurrection day! GEESH! Its that simple!
WELLLLLLLL usnless your a CULTIST like rsvp is!!!???
the bible made soul man a 🎶 hit song long before 😎😎the blues brothers did
Posted : 11 Mar, 2022 11:42 AM
How does he miss the actual meaning of the word 'soul' interchanging with unique 'person' folks??????????????
CULTISTrsvp posts - 'These verses plainly (?) refer to something other than merely the person’s “life.” Indeed, note how the soul is distinguished from the life of the person in the later words of Uriah to David:
“Uriah said to David, “The ark and Israel and Judah are staying in temporary shelters, and my lord Joab and the servants of my lord are camping in the open field. Shall I then go to my house to eat and to drink and to lie with my wife? By your life and the life of your soul, I will not do this thing,” (2 Samuel 11:11).'
And likewise according to CULTISTrsvp then, the NIV is VERY MISLEADING because it leaves out the subject word 'soul' in it as another 'god' within us according to CULTISTrsvp!!!
'Uriah said to David, “The ark and Israel and Judah are staying in tents,[a] and my commander Joab and my lord’s men are camped in the open country. How could I go to my house to eat and drink and make love to my wife? >>>As surely as you live<<<, I will not do such a thing!”
What happened to the 'LORD SOUL' in us as 'gods' according to CULTISTrsvp that lives on???
the bible made soul man a 🎶 hit song long before 😎😎the blues brothers did
Posted : 11 Mar, 2022 12:01 PM
Another MASSIVE problem for CULTISTrsvp 'soul' teaching is a 'god' within us that never dies! This is what happens when you use ONLY one translation folks!
CULTISTrsvp posts - 'But Hamor spoke with them, saying, ‘>>>The soul of my son <<<Shechem longs for your daughter; please give her to him in marriage,'(Genesis 34:8).
NIV says - 'But Hamor said to them, “>>>My son Shechem has his heart<<< set on your daughter. Please give her to him as his wife. (Genesis 34:8).
Here CLEARLY a 'soul' of a PERSON interchanges with 'heart' of a PERSON and NOT that Shechem had a 'SOUL' inside himself that can live without a body!!! GEESH!
the bible made soul man a 🎶 hit song long before 😎😎the blues brothers did
Posted : 11 Mar, 2022 03:57 PM
TeddyBug, RSVP is a believer in Jesus, he is not a “cultist”.
On the other hand, most of your teachings continue to be in direct contrast to historic Christianity and therefore false. In various places, the Bible warns about your kind of teachings.
In fact, the book of Galatians was written to expose the kind of false teaching that you embrace.
Once again, the historic Christianity that RSVP embraces is NOT “cultic”.
See my new thread that explains the correct meaning of the term “cult”
the bible made soul man a 🎶 hit song long before 😎😎the blues brothers did
Posted : 11 Mar, 2022 05:07 PM
You're absolutely right bro David and here's another example of exposing Teddy bugs false teachings he says in this quote 👎👎
" 'Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell,” (Matthew 10:28).'
The CONTEXT of the Bible is a "SOUL" can die but ONLY Father YHWH can KILL (so much for 'eternal torment' CULTISTrsvp ALSO teaches!) that PERSON come judgment day! " -- teddy bugs 🐛🐞
We now turn our attention to other Scriptures where the Greek word apollumi " destroy " is used in reference to people. We find many scriptures. Of particular importance is its reference to Jesus
Matthew 2:13, “Now when they had gone, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, “Get up! Take the Child and His mother and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you; for Herod is going to search for the Child to destroy [apollumi] Him.”
Matthew 12:14, “But the Pharisees went out and conspired against Him, as to how they might destroy [apollumi] Him.”
Luke 19:47, “And He was teaching daily in the temple; but the chief priests and the scribes and the leading men among the people were trying to destroy [apollumi] Him,”
The ungodly religious leaders of Israel wanted to destroy (apollumi) Jesus. In each of these verses, the word means to kill him physically. But, since Jesus is God in flesh with two natures (hypostatic union), for him to be killed physically could not have meant he would cease to exist. Annihilationism is contradicted by the doctrine of Christ’s two natures since both his human and divine natures are tied to his personhood which cannot be divided. Therefore, we can see the word “destroy” (apollumi) when used of Jesus, necessitates that such destruction means he continues to exist
Therefore, the conditionalists should not be so quick to claim that apollumi in Matthew 10:28 means that those thus destroyed don’t exist anymore. If anything, it could easily mean that they will face the eternal destruction of God by the means of eternal conscious torment.
🙂💯👍😉 2 Corinthians 10:5 says
" we demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ "
the bible made soul man a 🎶 hit song long before 😎😎the blues brothers did
Posted : 12 Mar, 2022 01:23 PM
That’s right RSVP.
False teachers would prefer to spread their false teaching unchallenged.
But alas, when their false teaching gets exposed for what it is, the false teachers get angry and begin hurling false accusations.
Sadly, we have different kinds of modernist Christians who remain totally ignorant of their own faith because they refuse to learn about God and obey him by reading the Bible.
When they review debates such as ours their modernist or post modernist mindset tells them to resist anyone exposing false teachers and false doctrine.
Here CLEARLY in Scripture we see (regardless of what the CULT JW's teach, remember they keep SUNday to the BAAL 'god' of Egypt jus like CUILTISTrsvp does!!!) both the BODY and the "SOUL/PERSON" that can die and the Bible also says 'the SOUL that sins, it shall DIE" come judgment day! 
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