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🙂🙂👍👨⚖️ biblically refuting quiznos case against senior pastors
Posted : 19 Jan, 2022 11:03 AM
" @rsvp
All that you had written shows the so called 'church' is a business, and the man made title ( senior pastor ) does not exist in the Scriptures " -- 🥖🥖 Quiznos
BIBLICAL WARRANT FOR A SENIOR PASTOR
Several things in the Bible provide warrant for the idea of a senior pastor. Here are some:
1. God Gifts and Calls Individuals to Lead his People
First, God has a pattern of gifting and calling individuals to lead his people.
That’s not to say it always works this way. Moses had his seventy, to be sure. But the seventy had their Moses, too. Joshua, the judges, the kings, the high priests—all are examples of God calling a single man to be the point-of-the-spear in leadership.
Don’t misunderstand me: the fact that a point-of-the-spear exists in these biblical cases is not the same thing as a command to establish a point. But it is a biblical pattern which is instructive, and we probably shouldn’t ignore it.
2. Paul Wrote to Timothy, Not to All the Elders of the Church in Ephesus
Second, Paul wrote his letters to Timothy, not to all the elders of the church in Ephesus.
That’s significant for a few reasons. For one, he seems to understand that Timothy has some special responsibility to “charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine” (1 Tim. 1:3). Now why would that charge belong specially to Timothy? It seems that, in some special way, it was primarily his job to teach the congregation. He was the one who would “put these things before the brothers” (4:6), who would “command and teach these things” (4:11), and who would “teach and urge these things” (6:2). Moreover, it is to Timothy as an individual man that Paul gives the charge in 2 Timothy 4:1-2 to “preach the word.” That does not mean that the other elders in the church were not to do those things. It just means that Paul seems to have regarded ⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️Timothy as having the regular, primary role of teaching the congregation during his temporary ministry in Ephesus. Thus he encourages him specifically in that work.
3. Some Elders Are Paid by the Church
Third, the New Testament talks about some elders who are specially set aside to be paid by the church.
First Timothy 5:17, for instance, speaks of those elders who “labor in preaching and teaching.” The verse is famously difficult and subject to controversy. Some think it contemplates two classes of elder; others say the word “especially” means something more like “by which I mean,” so that the second phrase just describes again those mentioned in the first phrase. I wonder, though, if the emphasis should be on the words “those who labor,” specifying those whose work, career, and livelihood is preaching and teaching. That’s certainly the emphasis in the very next verse, that when a person is asked to “labor” at a certain task, he should be paid for that work.
First Corinthians 9:6-14 also contemplates those who make their living by proclaiming the gospel. To be sure, Paul isn’t claiming that he was a “senior pastor.” The argument is that as an apostle he could have demanded a living from the church. Neither of these passages, therefore, is without difficulty, but I think the main idea still stands: one way or another, the New Testament contemplates some leaders who are set aside by the church to be paid to do the work of preaching and teaching
the Bible doesn't require churches to have a senior pastor, 👉👉👉👉👉👉 and It doesn't forbid them from doing so, either. There’s enough warrant in the Bible to make it a biblically acceptable practice.
🙂💯👍 that said, there are practical advantages to having a senior pastor. Both the teaching and leadership benefit by having one man who is set aside to give time and attention to those areas
🙂🙂👍👨⚖️ biblically refuting quiznos case against senior pastors
Posted : 19 Jan, 2022 03:14 PM
Why do the 'christians' want to go back under the old covenant to use moses as their example, when Messiah who is greater than moses is our example.
The christians want to hold onto a system that denies the PREISTHOOD of believers, in order to hold onto their man made system called 'church'.
The Preisthood of believers is fenied by the 'christians' in order prop up the one man system made up by the 'church' system.
The 'christians' want to hold onto moses, yet want to deny the PLURALITY of ELDERS,in order to prop up their man made system called 'church'.
@rsvp,dave and moon, the trio that denies the Word of GOD Almighty in order to prop up their man made system called 'church', which denies the position of Yashua as the GOOD SHEPHERD,in order to prop up a man in a man made system,so very sad.
The system also denies the Holy Spirit His position to empower the people to worship Messiah, by PAYING a band to take the place of the Holy Spirit and feny the PRIESTHOOD of ALL believers.
So very sad.
No wonder the 'christuans' have no idea who the Messiah is, what He is like, or who the are to worship.
