4 Who has planned and done it, calling forth the generations from the beginning? 'I, the LORD, am the first and the last; I am He. ' "
Quiz: Interesting that I AM HE, is a pronoun used in the 3rd person SINGULAR.
Revelation 1 verses 1-8
The idea of THE ALMIGHTY in verse 8 is from the Hebrew understanding of ALMIGHTY or EL SHADDAI, GOD Almighty.
1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him, to show to His servants the things that are ordained to come to pass shortly; and He made it known, having sent it by His angel to His servant John;
2 Who gave witness to the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ, and all the things he saw.
3 Blessed is the one who reads, and those who hear the words of this prophecy and who keep the things that are written therein; for the time is at hand.
4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace and peace be to you from Him Who is, and Who was, and Who is to come; and from the seven spirits that are before His throne;
5 And from Jesus Christ, the faithful Witness, the Firstborn from the dead, and the Ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him Who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
6 And has made us kings and priests to God and His Father; to Him be the glory and the sovereignty into the ages of eternity. Amen.
7 Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye shall see Him, and those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.
8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the Ending," says the Lord, "Who is, and Who was, and Who is to come--the Almighty."
Jesus takes the same title of the First and the Last in Revelation 1:17 and 22:13. If the LORD is the first and the last according to Isaiah 41:4, and if Jesus is the First and the Last according to Revelation 1:17 and 22:13, since there cannot be two firsts or two lasts, Jesus must be the LORD God!
Jesus takes the same title of the First and the Last in Revelation 1:17 and 22:13. If the LORD is the first and the last according to Isaiah 41:4, and if Jesus is the First and the Last according to Revelation 1:17 and 22:13, since there cannot be two firsts or two lasts, Jesus must be the LORD God!
Quiz: The Scripture from Isaiah and Revelation show that there are two persons claiming to be FIRST and LAST, for this to be true, then both must be equal to each other in attributes,character, attitude, personality, both being Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent.
The Son repesents the Father exactly as He is exactly as the Father is, yet completely independent of the Father for His existance.
Because all three persons of the trinity possess the three omnis
Eternity (being eternal)
The Holy Spirit is eternal having no beginning and having no end. He has always been and will always be (Hebrews 9:14).
Omnipresence (present everywhere simultaneously)
The Holy Spirit is omnipresent. No matter where you are – He is there with you. Nothing can separate you from the Holy Spirit. Fear not – you are never alone, you are never on your own. You have not been abandoned. (Psalms 139:7-10)
Omniscience (all-knowing)
Beyond all intellectuals on Earth, the Holy Spirit is all-knowing. We are all simpletons in comparison. Fear not – you have all the knowledge and wisdom of God within you! (Isaiah 40:12-15. 1 Corinthians 2:10,11. John 14:26. John 16:12,13)
Omnipotence (all-powerful)
The Holy Spirit is the power of God. Fear not – you have all the power of God inside you! (Psalms 62:11. Luke 1:35. Luke 4:14. Acts 1:8)
Quiz posts - 'The Scripture from Isaiah and Revelation show that there are two persons claiming to be FIRST and LAST, for this to be true, then both must be equal to each other in
attributes,character, attitude, personality, both being Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent.'
Your getting closer to the truth Quiz! Obviously you do NOT attend the CULT meetings of 'churches' and therefore you hear the Set Apart Holy Spirit of Father YHWH speaking to you by His WORD the Bible, that of course He made flesh, which or course we know Him as the Messiah Yah'shua, the EVERLASTING Father in the flesh!
So actually Quiz, to be more accurate we should really state according to the CONTEXT of the Bible - 'The Scripture from Isaiah' shows us the ONE MASTER Creator Father YHWH, THE FIRST and LAST and Revelation shows us THE HUMAN person >>>FROM<<< the Father YHWH that is His WORD NOW in flesh, put in flesh, that is ALSO THE FIRST and LAST because the Father's WORD has always been >from< Him and >with< Him, as it >belongs< to Him, that PART of Him originally and NOT another 'god' as you hear the CULTS making Him out to be some kind of IDOL, right?
The CULT 'churches' sure seem to struggle with the word 'Omnipresent' don't they, and the Father being two or more (like His set apart Spirit for another example) at the same time! Correct Quiz? So OF COURSE then both the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON >>>FROM<<< the Father is >>>EQUAL<<< with Father YHWH because its simply HIS WORD NOW IN FLESH, which of course is His SINGLENESS in 'attributes, character, attitude, personality' etc etc. Correct?
Quiz goes on to post - 'The Son represents the Father exactly as He is exactly as the Father is' AMEN QUIZ! Because the 'Son' originally the Father's WORD, is now set apart in human flesh like we are made in, yet being NOW (Messiah) the representation of the Father's WORD SPOKEN, before He existed to prophets and other writers of the Bible, NOW in the human flesh for His NT saints to hear! Right? But his NOW WORD in the flesh is not here but in heaven, so how then does the Father speak to us but by His set apart Holy Spirit! Its by reading the BIBLE (outside CULT got questions, with many CULT answers and other CULT articles! ) and then 'hearing' the Father's very own set apart Holy Spirit that confirms what we are reading then, right? So there is no CULT trinity/triad/multiple 'persons/gods' but the Father and His >two< PARTS to Him and of Him and the PURPOSE in those >two< PARTS to Him and of Him! Correct?
Finally Quiz posts - 'yet completely independent (Messiah) of the Father for His existence.'
Not real clear here Quiz because its actually quite clear in the CONTEXT of the Bible that the WORD of Father YHWH - MADE INTO HUMAN FLESH - is only 'independent' in the sense because Father YHWH - MADE HIM SO - and He then existed or had His 'existence' at that time. Right? Remember the Messiah is also human like we are and mortal and Father YHWH is IMMORTAL! The Messiah was made to hurt, bleed and die like we CAN do but His whole ordained purpose in His first coming is to DIE for sinners! Right? Its strange then for CULTISTRrsvp and tinyfaithdavid to ATTEMPT to corrupt the CONTEXT of Scripture and 'teach' the Messiah came to suffer 'eternal torment' as they say (not found in the Bible!) which supposedly is the punishment for sin, >>>immortality in a fire someday<<< yet He is not currently suffering that 'eternal torment' as the CULT cathoholic 'church' teaches as they have him hanging on a PAGAN symbol of a 'cross'! So the lads on this forum contradict themselves claiming the Messiah never really paid the price of sin WHICH IS DEATH (Romans 6:23) and not 'eternal torment' as the majority of the CULT 'churches' teach, the little daughter harlots to the MOTHER of all HARLOTS, the cathoholic 'church' teachings! YICKS!
So actually Quiz, to be more accurate we should really state according to the CONTEXT of the Bible - 'The Scripture from Isaiah' shows us the ONE MASTER Creator Father YHWH " -- 👹👹 teddy bugs
🙄🙄 teddy bugs continues to demonstrate his theological ignorance
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
New Living Translation
Now, Father, bring me into the glory we shared before the world began.
English Standard Version
And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.
Berean Study Bible
And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed.
Berean Literal Bible
And now glorify Me, You Father, with Yourself, with the glory that I had with You before the world existed.
King James Bible
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
New King James Version
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
New American Standard Bible
And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.
@rsvp
The translation you posted of John 17 verse 5 is wrong, as it does not reveal the Father and Son as 2 seperate persons each with their own glory that is equal to each others glory.
The translation you posted says they share the same glory, thus the Son is dependent upon the Father for His glory.
Now, Father, glorify [doxason] Me together with Yourself [para seautō], with the glory which I had [eichon] withYou [para soi] before the world was” (emphasis added).
One of the most attacked doctrines launched by “unitarian” groups (i.e., seeing God as one Person) such as Muslims, JWs (Jehovah’s Witnesses), and Oneness Pentecostals, is, of course, the full deity of Jesus Christ.[1] If Jesus Christ is really God in the flesh, then, the very core theology of these groups is utterly demolished.
There is quite a lot of scriptural evidence that clearly shows Jesus Christ as being fully God. One such strong and undeniable proof, however, is His preexistence. Demonstrating that the Person of the Son preexisted firmly establishes the eternality of Jesus Christ—especially at passages that present Him as the Creator.[2] There are many passages in both the OT and NT that affirm the Son’s preexistence (e.g., Dan. 7:9-14; Micah 5:2; John 1:1; 3:13; 8:57-58; 16:28; 17:5; Gal. 4:4; Phil. 2:6-11; Col. 1:16-17; Heb. 1:2, 10-12; etc.).
John 17:5 is a passage that clearly and exegetically affirms (a) the eternality, and hence, deity of the Son and (b) His personal distinction from God the Father, which affirms the Trinity and swiftly refutes the Christological assertions of these unitarian groups (esp. Oneness theology):
Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, [para seautō] with the glory which I had [eichon] with You [para soi] before the world was.”
In Jesus’ High Priestly prayer to the Father, He requests or commands (as we will see)[3] the Father to glorify Himself together with the Father, with the glory that He had (or shared [eichon]) with (para) the Father before the world was. Hence, according to the Son’s own words, He pre-existed withthe Father—“before the world was.” Again, this passage strongly refutes not only the claims of unitarian groups who deny the deity of Jesus Christ, but specifically the modalistic claims of Oneness Pentecostals who deny both the Son’s deity, preexistence, and unipersonality.[4] As we will see, the exegetical significance is undeniable.
“Glorify Me together with Yourself.” First, the glory mentioned here is a shared glory—Father and Son. It is the divine glory that Yahweh does “not share” with anyone else (cf. Isa. 48:11). Notice that the glorification applies to both the Father and the Son, the glory they shared before the creation. It is not glory apart from the Father that Jesus seeks, but rather glory alongside (para) the Father. The glory of which Jesus speaks is a “Me with You” glory. No creature can make this claim. In terms of the divine unshared glory that the Son possesses, Hebrews 1:3 corresponds in a remarkable way to John 17:5: “He [the Son] is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His [the Father] nature.”
Obviously you do NOT attend the CULT meetings of 'churches' and therefore you hear the Set Apart Holy Spirit of Father YHWH speaking to you by His WORD the Bible, that of course He made flesh, which or course we know Him as the Messiah Yah'shua, the EVERLASTING Father in the flesh! 
Correct Quiz? 
But his NOW WORD in the flesh is not here but in heaven, so how then does the Father speak to us but by His set apart Holy Spirit! 
The Messiah was made to hurt, bleed and die like we CAN do but His whole ordained purpose in His first coming is to DIE for sinners! 
Right? Its strange then for CULTISTRrsvp and tinyfaithdavid to ATTEMPT to corrupt the CONTEXT of Scripture and 'teach' the Messiah came to suffer 'eternal torment' as they say (not found in the Bible!) which supposedly is the punishment for sin, >>>immortality in a fire someday<<< yet He is not currently suffering that 'eternal torment' as the CULT cathoholic 'church' teaches as they have him hanging on a PAGAN symbol of a 'cross'! 