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Posted : 6 Jan, 2022 12:42 PM

In short, the objection is that rather than being a real part of the Bible, the entire idea of a pre-Great Tribulational Rapture was just an invention by Darby and “not even heretics” ever used it. This is very strong language, but is it true? Were there no ancient Christian writings about the church being Raptured before Great Tribulation? An examination of early church writings shows that this charge is false and there were some church fathers who indeed wrote about the Rapture.



Irenaeus



Irenaeus (130 A.D. – 202 AD) was a bishop of the church in Lyons, France. He was an eyewitness to the Apostle John (who wrote the Book of Revelation) and a disciple of Polycarp, the first of the Apostle John’s disciples. Irenaeus is most-known for his five-volume treatise, Against Heresies in which he exposed the false religions and cults of his day along with advice for how to share the Gospel with those were a part of them.





In his writings on Bible prophecy, he acknowledged the phrase “a time, times and dividing of times” in Daniel 7 to signify the 3 ½ year reign of the Antichrist as ruler of the world before the Second Coming of Christ. He also believed in a literal Millennial reign of Christ on earth following the Second Coming and the resurrection of the just.



On the subject of the Rapture, in Against Heresies 5.29, he wrote:



“Those nations however, who did not of themselves raise up their eyes unto heaven, nor returned thanks to their Maker, nor wished to behold the light of truth, but who were like blind mice concealed in the depths of ignorance, the word justly reckons “as waste water from a sink, and as the turning-weight of a balance — in fact, as nothing;”(1) so far useful and serviceable to the just, as stubble conduces towards the growth of the wheat, and its straw, by means of combustion, serves for working gold. And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, “There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be.”(2) For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption.”



Irenaeus in this passage describes the church leaving the sinful world just before unprecedented disasters. Note his use of the term “caught up” which is Rapture terminology as that is the meaning of harpazo, the term for “caught up” in the King James Bible describing the Rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4. He then quotes Matthew 24:21 where The Lord Jesus Christ says: “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” And it is during this time that those who convert to Christianity during the final years will receive the incorruptible crown mentioned by the Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 9:25. In Irenaeus’ belief, the Rapture took place prior to the end times Great Tribulation.







Cyprian

Cyprian (200 AD – 258 AD) – Cyprian was Bishop of the church in Carthage. During his short stint as leader of the church, he guided the flock through intense persecution at the hands of the Roman Empire. In 258 AD after spending seven months of confinement to his home by order of Roman authorities, he was beheaded for his faith. Several of his works still exist today.



In Treatises of Cyprian he wrote in describing the end times Great Tribulation:



“We who see that terrible things have begun, and know that still more terrible things are imminent, may regard it as the greatest advantage to depart from it as quickly as possible. Do you not give God thanks, do you not congratulate yourself, that by an early departure you are taken away, and delivered from the shipwrecks and disasters that are imminent? Let us greet the day which assigns each of us to his own home, which snatches us hence, and sets us free from the snares of the world and restores us to paradise and the kingdom.”



Again we see use of language commonly found in reference to the Rapture as Cyprian describes the judgments of the end times as “imminent.” And he makes his belief on the timing of the Rapture when he wrote that Christians will have an “early departure” and be “delivered” from the devastating global judgments that come during the Day of The Lord.

In line with the Apostle Paul who wrote that “God has not appointed us to wrath, but salvation..” Cyprian expressed joy and encourages the believing reader to rejoice that the Church will be “taken away” before the disastrous Great Tribulation. Just as The Lord Jesus Christ in Matthew 24 used the same language of one “taken away” and the other “left.” Additionally Cyprian references the mansions which The Lord Jesus Christ promises to come back and take His believers to in John 14.



“Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.” – John 14:1-3.



As Beginning and End detailed in our article “The Red Moon Rapture – The Biblical Timing of The Rapture”, in both the Matthew 24 passages (“one taken, the other left”) and in John 14 (“..receive you unto myself..”) the Greek work paralambanō is used for taken and receive. The meaning of that word is “join to one’s self” indicating that Jesus is coming to fully unify with His church – which takes place at the Rapture. Clearly Cyprian believed and taught that the Rapture takes place before the Great Tribulation.



Ephraim The Syrian



Ephraim (306 AD – 373 AD) was made a deacon in the church in Syria in 338 and later became the bishop of Nisibis. Although he was made a “saint” in the Roman Catholic Church, he was not involved in Catholicism and did not even live in the Roman Empire until the final years of his life. The book Pseudo Ephraim was one of his still existing works. It was called “Pseudo” because of later dispute over authorship. However the book’s one reference to the rapture is very compelling:



In his work, On The Last Times 2, he wrote:



“We ought to understand thoroughly therefore, my brothers, what is imminent or overhanging. Already there have been hunger and plagues, violent movements of nations and signs, which have been predicted by the Lord, they have already been fulfilled (consummated), and there is not other which remains, except the advent of the wicked one in the completion of the Roman kingdom. Why therefore are we occupied with worldly business, and why is our mind held fixed on the lusts of the world or on the anxieties of the ages? Why therefore do we not reject every care of worldly business, and why is our mind held fixed on the lusts of the world or on the anxieties of the ages? Why therefore do we not reject every care of earthly actions and prepare ourselves for the meeting of the Lord Christ, so that he may draw us from the confusion, which overwhelms all the world? Believe you me, dearest brother, because the coming (advent) of the Lord is nigh, believe you me, because the end of the world is at hand, believe me, because it is the very last time.



Or do you not believe unless you see with your eyes? See to it that this sentence be not fulfilled among you of the prophet who declares: “Woe to those who desire to see the day of the Lord!” For all the saints and elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins. And so, brothers most dear to me, it is the eleventh hour, and the end of the world comes to the harvest, and angels, armed and prepared, hold sickles in their hands, awaiting the empire of the Lord. And we think that the earth exists with blind infidelity, arriving at its downfall early. Commotions are brought forth, wars of diverse peoples and battles and incursions of the barbarians threaten, and our regions shall be desolated, and we neither become very much afraid of the report nor of the appearance, in order that we may at least do penance; because they hurl fear at us, and we do not wish to be changed, although we at least stand in need of penance for our actions!”



With a sense of urgency and strong warning, Ephraim writes that the end times are upon this world and could start at any moment. This text very clearly states the saints and elect of God, all born again believers in The Lord Jesus Christ, will be “taken to the Lord” before the Great Tribulation. Ephraim also identifies the Old Testament “Day of The Lord” and the end times Great tribulation as the same event (in line with the teachings of the Beginning and End Rapture Series). Ephraim quotes Amos 5:18 which says: “Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.”



The point he makes is that a Christian should know the Day of The Lord is coming. In the first part of the passage Ephraim notes that:

“We ought to understand thoroughly therefore, my brothers, what is imminent or overhanging. Already there have been hunger and plagues, violent movements of nations and signs, which have been predicted by the Lord, they have already been fulfilled (consummated)” And not only that but that true Christians will be taken away before it starts.

Here he is describing the first 3 of the first 4 seals of Revelation 6 – wars, famines and plagues. These are the same end times signs Jesus Christ describes in Matthew 24:



And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. – Matthew 24:3-8.



Jesus describes these events as “the beginning of sorrows.” He also says that when these things come to pass “the end is not yet.” Ephraim’s writing agrees with this interpretation as he says those same events have been “fulfilled (consummated)” in his day, but it was still not the actual Great Tribulation. This also falls in line with Beginning and End’s Rapture series as explained in our article Who Are The Four Horsemen Of The Apocalypse? (The first four seals of Revelation 6 were opened at the time Jesus Christ ascended to Heaven. And the rapture itself does not occur until the opening of the 6th Seal.)



Ephraim in very strong language warns the reader not to be consumed with the cares of the world because the world in its current form, is coming to an end. As the Second Advent or Coming of The Lord Jesus Christ grows near, believers are to look to Heaven and set their hearts on pleasing God. It is clear that Ephraim distinguishes the Second Coming of Christ from the rapture, placing the Rapture before the Great Tribulation to come.



The Early Church Believed In The Rapture



Who invented the Rapture idea? | What did Church fathers say about the Rapture? | John Darby did NOT invent the rapture

The ancient writings are clear – the belief in the Rapture has existed since the days of the Apostles.



Although there are not a great number of writings on the end times from the early centuries of the church, there is no question that there was a belief in the Rapture among the church fathers and they taught it with strong language and scriptural support. In terms of the timing of the Rapture, the early church fathers placed it before the end times Day of The Lord/Great Tribulation. The writings of early saints in the church are not Scripture and should not be treated on the same level of the Bible. These writings also do not “prove” that the pre-Great Tribulation Rapture or the Beginning and End Rapture series are correct. Only rightly divided Scripture from the Bible can determine if a specific belief is accurate or in error. But the writings of church fathers can serve as useful commentaries (just as we use Bible commentaries today in our studies) and certainly prove that the Rapture doctrine existed well before John Darby and has been a part of Christian belief since the earliest days of the Apostles

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Posted : 6 Jan, 2022 12:49 PM

🙂💯👍 so as you can see dear people of God belief in the pre-trib rapture predates the foundation of the Catholic organization ⭐⭐ by quite some time in some cases according to the early church fathers writings and the same can be found in the first century writing in the didache



⭐⭐ for the first 280 years of Christian history, Christianity was banned by the Roman Empire, and Christians were terribly persecuted. This changed after the “conversion” of the Roman Emperor Constantine. Constantine provided religious toleration with the Edict of Milan in AD 313, effectively lifting the ban on Christianity. Later, in AD 325, Constantine called the Council of Nicea in an attempt to unify Christianity. Constantine envisioned Christianity as a religion that could unite the Roman Empire, which at that time was beginning to fragment and divide. While this may have seemed to be a positive development for the Christian church, the results were anything but positive. Just as Constantine refused to fully embrace the Christian faith but continued many of his pagan beliefs and practices, so the Christian church that Constantine and his successors promoted progressively became a mixture of true Christianity and Roman paganism

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Posted : 8 Jan, 2022 07:09 AM

I don't have any real interest in where it originated. But it's easy enough to see that pre trib rapture doesn't exist in Gods word. The rapture does, as does the tribulation. But nothing about Christians not going through the tribulation.

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Posted : 8 Jan, 2022 07:36 AM

After Revelation 3 third chapter there is no more addressing the church ( body of Christ).



That's somewhat of evidence also the body of Christ has been Raptured up.





Know You Bible seek God for clarity.

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Posted : 8 Jan, 2022 08:52 AM

Handyman62, you are a man of few words but get right to the truth of the matter. I like that, as it helps with the simple confused minded ones on this forum and in many confused

'churches' teaching deception of the 'secret rapture' thingy, with the 'get out of earth free card' from persecution. Once again your discernment to the CONTEXT of Scripture is a breath of fresh air compared to the claimed 'trinity' of this forum, Mooncakes, tinyfaithdavid and heaven-is-calling-rsvp but his phone is broken! Hate to miss those urgent important calls from heaven to get him back to understanding CONTEXT of Scripture, right? YICKS! THANKS for posting TRUTH in CONTEXT!



Isn't it interesting that Noah and family where not 'secretly raptured' from the earth, which is by FAR a WAY WORSE and was a SCARY 'tribulation' event than what is coming to >>>test<<< the saints on their LOYALTY toward obeying ROME or Father YHWH'S government. Its really all about the 'mark of the beast' and the false teachings 'churches' (daughters to the HARLOT cathoholic 'church' and world power!) that says - 'forget that >>>mark taking<<< non sense because you will receive a 'get out of earth free card' before that happens in the tribulation! So of

course, then, these FINE believing 'christians' WANT to believe it because they are SCARED they might be TESTED and PERSECUTED just LIKE Noah was when BUILDING the ark and

OBEYED! Correct?



Mooncakes has a BIG problem understanding SYMBOLISM in the Book of Revelation, just like her co 'trinity' of friends mentioned above!? She states - 'After Revelation (the) 3 third chapter, there is no more addressing the church' ????????????????????? end quote.



Well if that is true, then Father YHWH has a WOMAN friend that He is in LOVE with in Revelation 12:13-16!!! Right? And His LOYAL girlfriend/WOMAN has really made the devil/satan/lucifer/dragon very ANGRY (verse 17) !!! Right Handyman62? Its also interesting that this SAME WOMAN keeps ALL >>>TEN<<< OF THE COMMANDENTS of YHWH (not 9 of them) that of course disagrees with the other HARLOT (cathoholic 'church' and recognized PAGAN world power! ) woman found in chapter 17 of the devil now and most all >><protest<<<- ants (daughters of the HARLOT! ) agree ODDLY enough, that there is ONLY 9 Commandments to keep strangely now with not a single verse in the Bible saying that one lone commandment is changed to another Day or an entire Creation Day is done away with!? Hmmmmmmm!

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Posted : 8 Jan, 2022 09:15 AM

Hugs



You have one of the biggest Confused minds on this Forum.







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Posted : 8 Jan, 2022 09:16 AM

Quit judging me when you don't even except God's Truth.



Seek deliverance!



You're the dim Man.

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Posted : 8 Jan, 2022 10:03 AM

More TeddyBug tales.

FlatEarthTeddyBug who doesn’t understand history, theology or even his own cult teachings tries to “school” other people.

Sheesh, awareness of rapture historically preceded Roman Catholic teaching BUT the TeddyBug IGNORANTLY thinks it’s a Roman Catholic teaching‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

YOU CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

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Posted : 8 Jan, 2022 10:40 AM

Davy my BOY , you are truly an adolescent in CONTEXT of Scripture and SYMBOLISM found in the book of Revelation my lad, aren't you!?! Try to pay attention junior to history because before actually being called the >>>ROMAN<<< cathoholic 'church' its was just called >>>ROME<<< you IDIOT!!!! GEESH! What a duffus, right readers???



Its much like the claimed 'trinity' on this forum, Mooncakes, tinyfaithdavid and heaven-is-calling-rsvp but his phone is broken - in saying the actual 'Church' by name is not mentioned after chapter 3 in the book of Revelation, which is A LIE because clearly it is by another >>>name<<< called a >>>woman<<<, that cannot be refuted!!! There is the FAITHFUL and LOYAL WOMAN of Father YHWH (His TRUE Church!) found in Revelation 12:13-16!!! Then there is the HARLOT WOMAN (cathoholic 'church' and recognized PAGAN world power! ) found in chapter 17 of the devil and as his bride that cheated (become a W H O R E) to Father YHWH! Its just sooooooooo simple to understand to those 'that have an ear to hear' the Bible says! Right readers?

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Posted : 8 Jan, 2022 12:01 PM

" chapter 3 in the book of Revelation, which is A LIE because clearly it is by another >>>name<<< called a >>>woman<<<, that cannot be refuted!!! There is the FAITHFUL and LOYAL WOMAN of Father YHWH (His TRUE Church!) found in Revelation 12:13-16!!! " -- teddy bugs



you missed again bozo 🤡🤡❗❗



revelation 12 (13-16) Satan attacks the woman, and God protects her.

now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth



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he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child:



1️⃣ some teach that the woman is a symbol representing all the people of God, including faithful Israel and the church. They use this to advance the idea that the church is here during the tribulation period. But if the woman represents all the people of God (the church and faithful Israel), then who are the rest of her offspring described in Revelation 12:17 ❓❓ It is better to see her as Israel in general or Messianic Jews in particular



2️⃣ but the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place:



Eagle’s Wings are an emblem from the Exodus deliverance (Exodus 19:4) another way of connecting these people with Israel



3️⃣ so the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman:



the fury poured out against Israel after the abomination of desolation (marking the half-way point of the 70th week of Daniel) was spoken of by Jesus in Matthew 24:15-22, and spoken of in distinctly Jewish terms (housetop… pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath). This passage in Revelation describes the fury that Jesus told them to flee

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