Thread: the seven bowls/vials of revelation -- logical reasoning as to why christians will not suffer the tribulation
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the seven bowls/vials of revelation -- logical reasoning as to why christians will not suffer the tribulation
Posted : 5 Jan, 2022 09:05 PM
🤔🤔 dear people of God there are some members of this discussion group who are adamant about the post tribulation view but here's a little food for thought ......
the seven bowl or vial judgments are the final judgments of the tribulation period. They will be the most severe judgments the world has ever seen. The seven bowls are described in Revelation 16:1–21, where they are specifically called “the seven bowls of God’s wrath” (verse 1). Under the Antichrist, the wickedness of man has reached its peak, and it is met with God’s wrath against sin. The seven bowl judgments are called forth by the seventh trumpet
🤔🤔 WHO ARE THE WICKED RECIPIENTS OF GOD'S WRATH ❓❓
💡💡💡💡💡💡 Revelation 9:20 and 21 tells us
The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk 21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts
🤔🤔 does this sound like any of you who strive for righteousness ❓❓ who fight the good fight of faith ❓❓ who are being persecuted for your love of Christ by family friends coworkers neighbors and acquaintances because you share the good news of Jesus Christ with them ❓❓
So let's go take a look at the bowl judgments and then answer that question @ the end of them
The first bowl. The first angels pours out the first bowl on the land, “and ugly, festering sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image” (Revelation 16:2). This plague is targeted at those who have committed themselves to the Antichrist; tribulation saints will not be affected by these sores
The second bowl. The second bowl is poured out on the sea, turning the water “into blood like that of a dead person, and every living thing in the sea died” (Revelation 16:3). A third of the sea life had already perished with the sounding of the second trumpet (Revelation 8:9), and now the rest of the sea life is gone. The oceans are dead.
The third bowl. When the third bowl of God’s wrath is poured out, the rivers and freshwater springs also turn into blood (Revelation 16:4–5). The angel in charge of the water says, “You are just in these judgments, O Holy One,
you who are and who were;
for they have shed the blood of your holy people and your prophets,
and you have given them blood to drink as they deserve” (verses 5–6).
The altar in heaven responds,
“Yes, Lord God Almighty,
true and just are your judgments” (verse 7).
The fourth bowl. The fourth angel pours out his bowl on the sun, “and the sun was allowed to scorch people with fire. They were seared by the intense heat” (Revelation 16:8–9). Rather than repent of their sin, the wicked inhabitants of the earth “cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him” (verse 9).
The fifth bowl. The fifth of the seven bowls causes the kingdom of the beast to be plunged into great darkness. The pain and suffering of the wicked intensify, so that people gnaw their tongues in agony (Revelation 16:10–11). Still, the followers of the Antichrist “refused to repent of what they had done” (verse 11).
The sixth bowl. The sixth angel pours out his bowl of judgment on the Euphrates River. That river is dried up in preparation for the kings of the East making their way to their own destruction (Revelation 16:12). John then sees three unclean spirits “that looked like frogs” coming from the mouths of Satan, the Antichrist, and the false prophet (verse 13). These demons perform miracles and deceive the kings of the earth and gather them to the final battle on the Day of the Lord (verse 14). Under demonic influence, “the kings [gather] together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon” (verse 16).
The seventh bowl. The seventh bowl is emptied into the atmosphere. A loud voice in heaven says, “It is done!” (Revelation 16:17). The seventh bowl results in flashes of lightning and an earthquake so severe that “no earthquake like it has ever occurred since mankind has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake” (verse 18). Jerusalem is split into three parts, and the cities of the world collapse (verse 19). Islands are flooded, and mountains disappear (verse 20). Giant hailstones, “each weighing about a hundred pounds, fell on people” (verse 21). Those under judgment “cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible” (verse 21).
One of the angels of the seven bowl judgments then shows John the fate of Babylon the Great (Revelation 17), as God avenges “the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people, of all who have been slaughtered on the earth” (Revelation 18:24). The world mourns the fall of Babylon (chapter 18), but heaven rejoices (chapter 19). Jesus Christ then returns in glory to defeat the armies of the Antichrist at Armageddon (Revelation 19:11–21) and to set up His kingdom on earth (Revelation 20:1–6).
ANSWER 💡💡💡💡💡💡 of course not 🙂💯👍
romans 8:1 therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in christ Jesus
😉 👉👉👉👉👉👉 So the point is logically speaking how can anybody begin to believe that the Good Shepherd will let his righteous sheep suffer alongside the wicked during the tribulation ❓❓
🤔🤔 I don't know about some of you but I think it's preposterous and so does God's word the Bible
Psalms 5:12
surely LORD you bless the righteous you surround them with your favor as with a shield
the seven bowls/vials of revelation -- logical reasoning as to why christians will not suffer the tribulation
Posted : 7 Jan, 2022 11:15 AM
So CULTISTrsvp attempts to justify his cathoholic 'secret rapture' teaching (but sooo LAME here! ) and of course the jesuits (overseeing authority over the world today) by there owned HOLLYWOOD movies portraying airplanes and cars crashing, cloths piled on the ground all because some become mysteriously missing by a 'secret rapture' thingy supposedly of which ONLY the ones that ARE 'secretly raptured' KNOW they have been! LOL!
Where do you find that in the Bible??? Its NOT there! The same movies by the CULTS, also show CGI or CGV (fake 'orbiting space station' in time) and showing supposedly stars that do not look ANYTHING like the actual stars by amateur video on a simple P900 camera or decent telescope! But CULTISTrsvp
would rather 'BY FAITH' believe the jesuit (cathoholic) controlled media!!!???
Lets repost in quote of what he does NOT want you to have >>>discernment<<< over dear readers in WHAT the Bible is actually saying on the subject of the final tribulation! Shall we?
Quote - 'The seven bowl or vial judgments are the final judgments of the tribulation period. They will be the most severe judgments the world has ever seen. The seven bowls are described in Revelation 16:1–21, where they are specifically called “the seven bowls of God’s wrath” (verse 1). Under the Antichrist, the wickedness of man has reached its peak, and it is met with God’s wrath against sin. The seven bowl judgments are called forth by the seventh trumpet. end quote.
So then DECEPTIVE and close minded (no CONTEXT) CULTISTrsvp asked - 'WHO ARE THE WICKED RECIPIENTS OF GOD'S WRATH'
Revelation 9:20 and 21 tells us (AND IT CERTAINLY DOES!)
Quote - 'The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols (like the cathoholic HARLOT 'church' does!) of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood (hanging on their 'church' walls!!!)—idols that cannot see or hear or walk 21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts' end quote.
So dear readers, do you see ANY OF THE SAINTS mentioned as taking ANY of these plagues or the WRATH of YHWH while still on earth and WHO SAYS they are 'righteous sheep suffer alongside ' these wicked IDOL worshippers as CULTISTrsvp stated and DREAMED into Scripture, which of course he does ALL THE TIME as a false CULT teacher!!! NOPE, the saints are NOT receiving the plagues nor the WRATH of ALMIGHTY YHWH but PROTECTED while on earth - JUST LIKE NOAH WAS DURING THE FLOOD - WHILE STAYING ON EARTH!
GEESH! Its just toooooooooo simple to understand when you have NOT been CULTIZED like CULTISTrsvp obviously is!!!
So in closing CULTISTrsvp says after his RANT of all the plagues and now quotes Romans 8:1 'therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus'
So TRUE that the saints will NOT suffer the WRATH of YHWH nor His plagues you IDIOT CULT teacher!!! So your quote of Romans 8:1 proves what of a 'secret rapture' NOT found in Scripture BOY???
CULTISTrsvp goes on to TWIST Scripture, which is NOTHING but his opinion, OUTSIDE of Scripture OF COURSE! Quote - 'So the point is logically (REALLY???) speaking how can anybody begin to believe that the Good Shepherd will let his righteous sheep suffer >>>alongside<<< the wicked during the tribulation' end quote.
WHERE, WHERE, WHERE does the Bible even HINT that the 'Righteous sheep suffer alongside the wicked during the tribulation' folks??? NEVER, right??? Only between the sphere and
ears of CULTISTrsvp, right?
Does NOT the Bible say that you ARE in the world but are NOT part of it???????????????????????????????? GEESH!
CULTISTrsvp goes on to say - 'I don't know about some of you but I think it's preposterous and so does God's word the Bible'
Well friends and readers, I don't know about some of you but I think it's PREPOSTEROUS to READ into (and he will be held accountable come judgment day!) the WORD which IS the Bible that the saints will even be 'along side' the wicked when they are suffering these plagues and YHWH'S WRATH!!! Correct?'
But then STRANGLY CULTISTrsvp posts to contradict his own purpose in this CULT thread teaching - Psalms 5:12 ' surely LORD you bless the >>>righteous you surround them<<< (from the plagues!) with your favor (because you OBEY my TORAH LAW!) as with a shield (from YHWH'S WRATH!)' ........ AND IT GOES RIGHT OVER HIS HEAD in UNDERSTANDING, having his conscience seared with a hot iron!
This FORUM clown just keeps embarrASSing himself AND contradicting his own CULT 'secret rapture' THEORY and teaching with posted Scripture like above! Folks you just cannot make this stuff up! Right?
the seven bowls/vials of revelation -- logical reasoning as to why christians will not suffer the tribulation
Posted : 7 Jan, 2022 11:43 AM
Folks it just does not get any more hilarious about CULTISTrsvp! EmbarrASSing himself AND contradicting his own CULT 'secret rapture' THEORY and teaching! Check out these NUGGETS below!
He quotes - 'God avenges “the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people, of all who have been >>>slaughtered on the earth<<<” (Revelation 18:24). end quote.
And then contradicts himself and says - ' logically speaking how can anybody begin to believe that the Good Shepherd will let his righteous sheep suffer ' MUCH like the - Prophets and of God’s holy people, of all who have been slaughtered >>>on the earth<<< end quotes AND NONE OF THEM WERE 'SECRETLY RAPTURED'.....FROM.......THE......EARTH!
CULTISTrsvp is TRULY his own worst 'BUGS' in proving his false doctrine of a secret rapture' isn't he???
the seven bowls/vials of revelation -- logical reasoning as to why christians will not suffer the tribulation
Posted : 7 Jan, 2022 12:03 PM
REPOST because disrespectful tinydavid is distracting from the thread topic but will NOT correct CULTISTrsvp because he KNOWS he is in error to prove a secret rapture' from Scripture ALONE!!!
Folks it just does not get any more hilarious about CULTISTrsvp! EmbarrASSing himself AND contradicting his own CULT 'secret rapture' THEORY and teaching! Check out these NUGGETS below!
He quotes - 'God avenges “the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people, of all who have been >>>slaughtered on the earth<<<” (Revelation 18:24). end quote.
And then contradicts himself and says - ' logically speaking how can anybody begin to believe that the Good Shepherd will let his righteous sheep suffer ' MUCH like the - Prophets and of God’s holy people, of all who have been slaughtered >>>on the earth<<< end quotes AND NONE OF THEM WERE 'SECRETLY RAPTURED'.....FROM.......THE......EARTH!
CULTISTrsvp is TRULY his own worst 'BUGS' in proving his false doctrine of a secret rapture' isn't he???
the seven bowls/vials of revelation -- logical reasoning as to why christians will not suffer the tribulation
Posted : 7 Jan, 2022 12:15 PM
mmmmmmm yeah
let me try to make this simple so we even teddy bugs can understand
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet... the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed: In a single moment, Jesus will gather His people (both dead and on the earth) to Himself, for resurrection.
i Paul expressed the same idea again in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18. This remarkable, instant gathering of Christians unto Jesus in the clouds has been called the rapture, after the Latin word for caught up in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18
@ the last trumpet: What is the last trumpet? Those who believe that Jesus gathers His people after He has poured out His wrath on a Jesus-rejecting world sometimes argue that it is the last trumpet of judgment, cited in Revelation 11:15-19. But this is not necessarily the case at all
The last trumpet may not refer to the last trumpet of the seven trumpets of Revelation at all, but simply refer to the last trumpet believers hear on this earth.
This last trumpet may be connected with the trumpet of God in 1 Thessalonians 4:16, but not with the trumpets of angels in Revelation 11. A distinction may be made between the trumpet of an angel and the trumpet of God. Chuck Smith points to a grammatical construction that would be different if this trumpet were the trumpet of Revelation 11.
🤔🤔 How can we know this ❓❓ 🙂💯👍 let's take a look at the geek word trumpet found 1st Thessalonians 4:16 as well as first Corinthians 15:52 and Revelation 11:15
🙂👍💯 It is clear that the first two passages (Corinthians and Thessalonians) fit together, but the third doesn’t appear to have any correlation in either the events described or the intended results. The argument connecting them has to depend on the meaning of the word last in 1 Corinthians 15:52. The Greek word eschatos can mean either “last in point of time” or “last in point of sequence.” This trumpet sounds before the wrath of God descends, yet Revelation 6:17 speaks of the wrath of the Lamb as having come, and the seventh trumpet doesn’t sound until Revelation 11:15. The trumpet of 1 Thessalonians is given in a moment, whereas Revelation 10:7 indicates that the seventh trumpet will be sounded for a number of days. Even though the seventh trumpet is the last one described in Revelation, Matthew 24:31 indicates there is yet another trumpet which will sound “after the tribulation of those days,” when Christ returns to the earth, which parallels with Revelation 19.
If the “last trumpet” of 1 Corinthians 15 is not the same as the seventh trumpet, then what was Paul referring to? Both 1 Thessalonians and 1 Corinthians were written long before John wrote Revelation, so Paul’s readers would have no knowledge of the seven trumpets of Revelation. Paul intended for them to understand what he was writing about, so we need to look elsewhere for clarification. Paul’s writing was distinctly in reference to the church and the closing of the church age at the rapture. Throughout Scripture, trumpets were used as signals to gather people, to set armies on the move, and as part of the worship of God. The trumpet that summons the church is called “the trump of God,” while those in Revelation are angelic trumpets. Since it is a summoning trumpet, we can look to the Old Testament for further understanding. Numbers 10 gives instruction to Israel about the use of trumpets to call an assembly of the people and to set them in motion. The first trumpet blast (v. 4) called the leaders together, while a continual blowing was an alarm for the people. A series of trumpet blasts was the signal for each group of tribes to begin their journey, and the last blast indicated the movement of the last group in the camp. Similarly, 1 Corinthians 15:23 speaks of different orders, or ranks, in the resurrection: “Every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at His coming.” Further, 1 Thessalonians 4:16–17 divides Christ’s own into two groups—the dead in Christ and those who are alive and remain
the seven bowls/vials of revelation -- logical reasoning as to why christians will not suffer the tribulation
Posted : 7 Jan, 2022 12:41 PM
You have >>>NOT<<< proved anything again CULTISTrsvp except your confusion on TRIB TRUMPETS that OBVIOUSLY take place at the end of this earth, the GREAT tribulation times, >>>before<<< it becomes DESOLATE of ZERO HUMAN life for a 1000 years dude! NONE of us care about Chuck Smith points' are that are OUTSIDE of Scripture you CLOWN with PORK ABOMINATIONS stuck between your teeth behind your steering wheel here on your forum picture for all to see, got it? This is a BIBLE discussion forum, not a halo 'Chuck Smith' forum, ok???
) and of course the jesuits (overseeing authority over the world today) by there owned HOLLYWOOD movies portraying airplanes and cars crashing, cloths piled on the ground all because some become mysteriously missing by a 'secret rapture' thingy supposedly of which ONLY the ones that ARE 'secretly raptured' KNOW they have been! 
LOL! 
Its NOT there! 
The same movies by the CULTS, also show CGI or CGV (fake 'orbiting space station' in time) and showing supposedly stars that do not look ANYTHING like the actual stars by amateur video on a simple P900 camera or decent telescope! 
But CULTISTrsvp 
Shall we? 
end quote.
end quote.
NOPE, the saints are NOT receiving the plagues nor the WRATH of ALMIGHTY YHWH but PROTECTED while on earth - JUST LIKE NOAH WAS DURING THE FLOOD - WHILE STAYING ON EARTH! 
So your quote of Romans 8:1 proves what of a 'secret rapture' NOT found in Scripture BOY??? 
Quote - 'So the point is logically (REALLY???) speaking how can anybody begin to believe that the Good Shepherd will let his righteous sheep suffer >>>alongside<<< the wicked during the tribulation' 
Check out these NUGGETS below!