Author	Thread: The Great Commision(the spiritual baptism into Christ NOT water)
Dom_64 View Profile History	The Great Commision(the spiritual baptism into Christ NOT water) Posted : 3 Jan, 2022 03:00 PM In the commission to the eleven apostles ("Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into [eis] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," (Mat. 28:19 ASV), if the Greek word eis was rendered "in" instead of "into," then without comparing this scripture with others in their context, this verse, isolated, could be construed to be a formula for water baptism. But, this is not the case. Nowhere in the New Testament is this used as a formula. The apostles and others (for example, Philip) baptized Jews or Jewish proselytes with water, but Matthew 28:19 was not used by them as a formula. Water baptism is mentioned five times after the Gospels and the Book of Acts which is a book depicting the transition from Judaism to Christianity. In 1 Corinthians 1:13-17 Paul expressed his thanks to God that he water-baptized none of the Corinthians except the few that he mentioned (Crispus, Gaius, and the household of Stephanas), for Christ did not send him to baptize, but to preach the Gospel. In 1 Corinthians 15:24 Paul mentioned the heretical baptisms on behalf of the dead. In the epistle to the Hebrews (Jewish Christians) in 6:1-2 the writer urged them to leave the principle or elementary teaching concerning baptisms (baptismos, plural). Three chapters later in Hebrews 9:10 we can see what that teaching was---that divers washings (baptismos, plural) were imposed until the time of (the Messianic) reformation. Also, Paul wrote that there is now only one baptism which is the spiritual baptism into Christ. And the fifth allusion to water baptism after the Gospels and the Book of Acts is by the apostle Peter. He wrote, "Where unto even baptism [into Christ] doth now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh [that is, not water baptism]" (1 Peter 3:21). Concerning the baptism of Crispus, we know that he was a Jew because he was the chief ruler of the synagogue in Corinth. There was a large enough Jewish community to justify building a synagogue and there is no reason to believe that Gaius and the household of Stephanas were not also Jews or Jewish proselytes who became Christians. In any case, Paul could not have been inspired by the Holy Spirit to say "I thank God" that he baptized only a few because Christ did not send him to baptize if he had been commanded and commissioned to do it. He said the reason he baptized so few was "lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name" (1 Cor. 1:15). If Paul had been commanded and commissioned by Christ to baptize with water, then he could not have thanked God for being disobedient regardless of what any should say or think. Paul definitely feared God more than man. If the so-called Great Commission to the Eleven is the scriptural support for Paul's commission also, then if water-baptizing was part of the command and commission it was just as much a part as to "teach" (Mt. 28:19) and to "preach the gospel" (Mk. 16:15). But, again, Paul was quick to thank God for baptizing only a few "for Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel." (There were more than five hundred believers before Christ's ascension, but He did not call them together with the Eleven to commission them, 1 Cor. 15:6). Christ did not send the other apostles to baptize with water either. Merely because they baptized and circumcised Jews does not mean that they were commissioned to do it. They simply held on to that which was so much a part of Judaism. Even if the Eleven were commanded to baptize with water it is clear that Paul, who was sent to the Gentiles after the hardening of Israel, was not. These things are clear: John the Baptizer was sent to baptize with water; Jesus was not sent to baptize with water; and Paul was not sent to baptize with water. If we base our doctrines on the clear exposition of the Scriptures rather than any extra-biblical source, then we must conclude that water-baptism was an Old Dispensation type and is not for today. Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	The Great Commision(the spiritual baptism into Christ NOT water) Posted : 3 Jan, 2022 10:02 PM You seriously need to read my latest thread above to clear your head of your cult disinformation. Your dear Harry is a very confused but effective false learner. BTW who is this Harry Bethel? Why do you do you continue to resist sharing information about this esteemed leader? Post Reply
Teddyhug^ View Profile History	The Great Commision(the spiritual baptism into Christ NOT water) Posted : 3 Jan, 2022 10:19 PM GEESH what an incompetent IDIOT! Just google 'Harry Bethel' MORON like I did and BOOM all you want to argue with is there globe head! You might even win your own argument with yourself tinyfaithdavid??? Post Reply
Teddyhug^ View Profile History	The Great Commision(the spiritual baptism into Christ NOT water) Posted : 3 Jan, 2022 10:25 PM AND you can even take a trip to the 'bottom' of your class room RACIST globe model which shows entire countries hanging up side down as opposed the USA right side up mostly and you can read about Harry Bethel while hanging upside down like a bat in Australia! Right? You accuse me of believing people are hanging upside down but its YOUR PLASTIC CLASSROOM GLOBE model that shows this STUUUUPIDITY! Correct? So you make your problem mine???? Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	The Great Commision(the spiritual baptism into Christ NOT water) Posted : 4 Jan, 2022 07:06 AM Thanks TeddyBug, I wonder if you’re really working for me by impersonating the false teaching I oppose by making it look even worse ‼️‼️‼️😂😂😂😂😂 Dom, has contributed to that end as well and I appreciate you both‼️‼️ Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	The Great Commision(the spiritual baptism into Christ NOT water) Posted : 4 Jan, 2022 07:58 AM TeddyBug, I’m always happy to help improve your intellectual awareness. Teddy, merely typing a certain name doesn’t always yield the information you’re looking for. For example, how many Harry Bethels are there on the internet⁉️⁉️ I’m sure the internet is a recent discovery for you but I hope that helps Post Reply
Teddyhug^ View Profile History	The Great Commision(the spiritual baptism into Christ NOT water) Posted : 4 Jan, 2022 10:12 PM Are you serious about your IGNORANCE to adding KEY words from Dom_64 posts about Harry Bethel in order to find him??? GEESH, talk about a lack of 'intellectual awareness' speaking about yourself of an internet search! LMBO! Post Reply
Teddyhug^ View Profile History	The Great Commision(the spiritual baptism into Christ NOT water) Posted : 4 Jan, 2022 10:17 PM Look tinyfaithdavid, you in your own mind claim Harry is an 'esteemed leader' by your own righteous judgment! Right? So it should be EASY for you to find what he teaches on the internet! GEESH! Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	The Great Commision(the spiritual baptism into Christ NOT water) Posted : 5 Jan, 2022 07:52 AM Ok TeddyBug, have you found the RIGHT Harry⁉️⁉️⁉️ Remember now, I didn’t say just ANY Harry Bethel. Put your money where your mouth is and show me the real Harry Bethel website or AT Least his true identity. Already hearing TeddyBug’s pet crickets Post Reply