Thread: ☹️👎🚫 TARNISHED HALO : Jesus is not Michael the archangel
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☹️👎🚫 TARNISHED HALO : Jesus is not Michael the archangel
Posted : 24 Jun, 2021 09:09 AM
Jesus and Michael the Archangel are not the same. Jesus is God in flesh, but Michael the Archangel is an angel which is a created being. Furthermore, there’s a problem with the idea of an archangel becoming a human being. An archangel has certain characteristics consistent with being an angel. By definition, an angel is not a human being. So is not possible for an angel to become a human being because the attributes and nature of each are different. It would mean that the archangel Michael stopped existing as the archangel Michael. The essence of the mind and heart of an angel is tied to the nature of that angel. If that angel ceases to exist, the mind and the heart ceased to exist. So an angel cannot become a man.
Now some may then ask how can God become flesh. The truth is that the Word became flesh (John 1:1, 14). In other words, the single person of Jesus has two distinct natures the divine (Word) and he human. Jesus has two distinct natures (Col. 2:9). So, the divine nature never ceased being the divine nature. It continues in the person of Christ alongside human nature. We call this the hypostatic union and it is the correct teaching of who Christ is. Nevertheless, let’s get back to the topic of whether or not Jesus and Michael the Archangel are the same.
Daniel 10:13, ““But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia.”
Jude 9, “But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.”
In Jude 9 Michael would not pronounce judgment against the devil. Instead, he said, “the Lord rebuke you.” If Michael and Jesus were the same, and Jesus is God in flesh, then Michael would have had the authority to rebuke the devil. But, since Michael deferred to the Lord, Michael is not the Lord. Instead, Michael is in Archangel, a created being
☹️👎🚫 TARNISHED HALO : Jesus is not Michael the archangel
Posted : 25 Jun, 2021 03:02 PM
I think this is a biblical rabbit hole that's out there to throw people.
However there are theories floating around that we are the fallen angels, mind wiped, born as men, doomed to circulate around until we work out the truth and the way out. I don't want to have to do this life again if that is the case.
☹️👎🚫 TARNISHED HALO : Jesus is not Michael the archangel
Posted : 25 Jun, 2021 06:14 PM
MARCOUSE: I think this is a biblical rabbit hole that's out there to throw people.
LITTLEDAVID: Jesus never claimed to be Michael the Archangel and Michael the Archangel never claimed to be Jesus. Every biblical narrative relevant to each is quite clear about their identity and hardly comparable to a “biblical rabbit hole that’s out there”.
MARCOUSE: However there are theories floating around that we are the fallen angels, mind wiped, born as men, doomed to circulate around until we work out the truth and the way out. I don't want to have to do this life again if that is the case.
LITTLEDAVID: I hope you don’t believe such foolishness and balderdash. The Bible says crazy people who reject God will invent all kinds of foolishness because they don’t want to confess their sins. See Romans 1
Marcouse, you won’t have to repeat this life again because the Bible says after death then judgment. I would wanna make sure I am ready to meet God BEFORE leaving this life.
The only way you can do that is through repentance just like Jesus and John the Baptist taught when they began their ministry
☹️👎🚫 TARNISHED HALO : Jesus is not Michael the archangel
Posted : 25 Jun, 2021 08:32 PM
marcouse
The Bible has no place for reincarnation. For one thing, our bodies are not mere garments that we cast off like changing our clothes. They are a valuable part of us. The hope of the Christian after death is to be raised up in the very same body in which we died, now made perfect and incorruptible, but still our body! Jesus Himself speaks often of this in words like:
“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment,” (John 5:28-29).
Everyone who has died, whether good or evil, will one day physically rise in the body in which they died. Those in Christ will rise to eternal life. Unbelievers will rise to face God’s wrath and judgment. But either way, this doesn’t work if they all have lived many lives in many different bodies. It is incompatible with reincarnation.
Likewise, the Bible has no conception of karma working itself out in an endless cycle of birth, death, and rebirth. Instead, it says:
“And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,” (Hebrews 9:27).
We die only once, then we face the judgment seat of God. After that, we either receive eternal life or eternal punishment. There are no additional mortal lives, no reincarnation. The choices we make in this life are all we get. This is why it is so important to repent and turn to God now, putting our trust in Jesus Christ and His perfect sacrifice. He died so that we can live again, not over and over in suffering, but once-and-for-all forever in bliss with Him!