The mockers, mock on, or just hanging around, mocking around, but they have no answer, funny how they claim they are unanswered.
The bible does show things simply, no need for loads of answers and different sidetracks the deceiver wants us to turn down.
It is all a matter of faith, and that's when there is no denial left.
So God describes things for us, how the house of David is to be as God, as the angel of the Lord before the enemies of David...
Zechariah 12:8 In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them.
That is the word in Zachariah, and of course it gets much deeper right here too, satan tries to resist the angel of the Lord ( as God) but the Lord answers to satan, the Lord rebuke thee, the Lord who chooses Jerusalem and makes the house of David as God as the angel of the Lord...
(the House of David, which is Christ, and Christ over the house of David of course)..
Isaiah 22:22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.
Luke 1:69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
Zechariah 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
Which the deceivers must avoid these descriptions, as they clearly show Michael as that angel of the Lord ( as God) disputing against satan, says as the Lord, the Lord rebuke thee,.
Because if you do not understand yet deceivers, here it is again, Christ is made as Head over the house of David, and as said in Zachariah, in THAT DAY, Christ ( as Head over the house of David) is as the angel of the Lord ( as God as told).
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Now we follow the rest of the Revelations God tells us, just as it is told to us, no need to change or add anything as the deceivers do nonstop.
Christ is made now lower than the angels, made to be that is.
This also is described for us as man, to be joint heirs with Christ to be glorified together with Him..
Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Psalm 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
The reason we are to be joint heirs with Christ, and man made lower than the angels together with Christ the Son of man made to be lower than the angels, has significance now.
Because we are to be AS THE ANGELS, EQUAL UNTO THE ANGELS, we understand and it is revealed, why Jesus ALSO TOOK PART ( to be made lower than the angels) and made as man and we to be joint heirs with Him and also to be equal to the angels and as the angels. This can be told below..
Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Luke 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Psalm 103:20 Bless the Lord, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.
The angels ascend and descend on Christ the Son of man ( on the Lord God) when Heaven is opened up through the sacrifice of God ( Christ)..
John 1:51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
This is the mystery of why we are made as the angels and why Christ was made to be lower then the angels with man being made power then the angels and Christ taking part in all and as the Son of man.
Because when Christ died and rose again, at that very moment, twelve legions of angels were given, which are in fact man, or Israel, given redeemed to and by Christ, and why we are joint heirs with Him and all made together lower then the angels and then to be equal to them and AS THEM..
Revelation 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Matthew 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
Revelation then we know, is after Christ died and rose again, and Israel ( the twelve legions of angels, the few He chooses) are the 12 legions of angels given to Christ ( our God for dying for us ) and this is the war in Heaven ( remember Heaven is opened up by Christs sacrifice and the 12 legions of angels given, and the angels of God ascending and descending on Him ) and Michael and His angels are Christ and His angels which we have just read ( and understood and believed) were given to Him which is Israel ( us ) to be as angels with Christ ( Michael) fighting against satan and his lost angels of darkness, and then it makes sense why an Archangel leads the angels, because we are made lower then the angels together and are as the angels together to be joint heirs taking part together and inheriting all to be glorified together.
This is HOW, many sons are brought to glory, I see no ANSWERS FROM THE DECEIVERS SO FAR, but they are answered..
Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many SONS UNTO GLORY to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also GLORIFIED TOGETHER.
anybody who knows their Bible knows you cannot have Hebrews to without Hebrews 1 especially in reference to Christ
Hebrews 1 (6-7) Jesus is superior to the angels because angels worship and serve Jesus, who is their God, as shown in Deuteronomy 32:43 (in the Septuagint and the Dead Sea Scrolls) and Psalm 104:4.
But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”
And of the angels He says:
“Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire.”
When He brings the firstborn: This word was used both as an idea and to designate the one born first. Since the firstborn son was “first in line” and received the position of favor and honor, the title “firstborn” could indicate that someone was of the highest position and honor.
Many of those not born first in the Bible are given the title “firstborn.” David is an example of this (Psalm 89:27) and so is Ephraim (Jeremiah 31:9)
According to Rabbi Bechai (quoted in Lightfoot) the ancient Rabbis called Yahweh Himself “Firstborn of the World.” It was a title, not a description of origin.
Rabbis used firstborn as a specifically Messianic title. One ancient Rabbi wrote, “God said, ‘As I made Jacob a first-born (Exodus 4:22), so also will I make king Messiah a first-born (Psalm 89:28).’“ (R. Nathan in Shemoth Rabba, cited in Lightfoot)
Let all the angels of God worship Him: Deuteronomy 32:43 shows that Jesus is superior because He is the object of angelic worship, not an angelic worshipper. The angels worship Him; He does not worship among them. Revelation 5 gives a glimpse of the angelic worship of Jesus
Who makes His angels spirits and His ministers a flame of fire: Psalm 104:4 demonstrates that Jesus the Messiah is Lord over the angels. They are His angels and His ministers. The angels belong to Jesus, and He is not among them
it would be utter blasphemy for creations to worship creations -- but as @ least some of us know Jesus Christ is God like it says in Philippians 2:10 every knee will bow every tongue will confess that he is God including all the angels
QUOTING No-Anawer-Adam who says, “The mockers, mock on, or just hanging around, mocking around, but they have no answer, funny how they claim they are unanswered.
The bible does show things simply, no need for loads of answers and different sidetracks the deceiver wants us to turn down. END QUOTE No-Anawer-Adam
Adam, who claims he doesn’t sin, displays another of his many sins.
Adam sins by misrepresenting scripture when he claims, “The bible does show things simply...”.
It’s true the Bible clearly revels some things but some some things are very hard to understand. For one example among many, Peter says some things Paul writes are hard to understand. 2 Peter 3:16 He (Paul) writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Adam sins still more when he refers to the people God loves as “mockers”. These are people who love Adam the most and it is they who keep trying to help Adam correct his many false teachings,
Bro David and Moon sorry I have not been able to PM you past couple of days perhaps something is going on in the site a couple of days ago I got a false alarm that I was banned -- I will keep checking in intermittently to see if I am able to send a PM
The Word was made flesh, then is no more flesh)Spirit, and man is flesh and is then made as the angels ( no more marriage remember)/Spirit, so for man to be as an Angel is a title, and we are all one together with Christ which explains an Archangel and Captain to us, sons of salvation and glory...
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
QUOTE ADAM: “The Word was made flesh, then is no more flesh)Spirit, and man is flesh and is then made as the angels ( no more marriage remember)/Spirit, so for man to be as an Angel is a title, and we are all one together with Christ which explains an Archangel and Captain to us, sons of salvation and glory...” END QUOTE
Another good example of incoherent posting.
Adam doesn’t seem to believe the Bible nor does he realize the human body of Jesus was resurrected! Jesus did not turn into an angel—no scripture supports such a silly notion.
Jesus is superior because He is the object of angelic worship, not an angelic worshipper. The angels worship Him; He does not worship among them. Revelation 5 gives a glimpse of the angelic worship of Jesus