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no answers from no answers Adam 7777 ? No problem because bible does have answers
Posted : 25 May, 2021 08:00 AM
As you can see from the quote below no answers Adam refers to Jesus Christ has not only Michael the archangel but also the Prince of Peace or " our Prince/ Christ "
" Here Jesus teaches this world to serve Him by also hating our life to lay it down as Christ did, then the Father is glorified, Jesus confirms this causes the judgement of the prince of this world ******( the prince against Michael *******our Prince/ Christ) for our sakes " - - Adam 7777
so where does he get this from?
It's a quote from Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace
the official heretical Jehovah witness position on Isaiah 9:6 is this At Isaiah 9:6 Jesus Christ is prophetically called ʼEl Gib·bohrʹ, “Mighty God” (not ʼEl Shad·daiʹ [God Almighty], which is applied to Jehovah at Genesis 17:1)."
So, in summary, since Jehovah God referred to Moses and Israelite judges as "gods" in scripture, Jesus most certainly was " a mighty god "
This coincides with their faulty interpretation found in their New world translation John 1:1, The JW’s say that Jesus is “a” god.
If Jesus is “a” god, then isn’t that polytheism?
So now let's go take a look at the true interpretation of Isaiah 9:6 which of course proves that Jesus is God along with the hypostatic Union which is the union of the two natures (divine and sinless human) in the person of Jesus
For unto us a Child is born: This glorious prophecy of the birth of Messiah reminds Israel that the victory-bringing Messiah would be a man. Theoretically, the Messiah could have been an angel. Or, the Messiah could have been God without humanity. But in reality, neither of those options would have qualified the Messiah to be our Savior and High Priest as Jesus is. The Child had to be born.
i. What amazing mystery! There is nothing weaker, more helpless, more dependent than a child. Theoretically, the Messiah could have come as a fully-grown man, created as an adult even as Adam was created. But for Jesus to fully identify with humanity, and to display in His life the servant nature that is in God, He made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men (Philippians 2:7)
Unto us a Son is given: This Child would be a man, but more than a man. He is also the eternal Son of God, the Second Person of the Godhead. Theoretically, the Messiah didn’t have to be God. He might have been a sinless angel, or merely a perfect man like Adam. But in reality, neither of those options would have qualified the Messiah to be our Savior and High Priest as Jesus is. The Son had to be given.
i. What glorious truth! We needed a perfect, infinite Being to offer a perfect, infinite atonement for our sins. We needed Immanuel, God is with us (Isaiah 7:14)
The Child could be born because the humanity of Jesus had a starting point. There was a time when humanity was not added to His deity. The Son had to be given, because the Second Person of the Trinity is eternal, and existed forever as the Son, even before adding humanity to His deity.
iii. While Isaiah may have intended the repetition merely for the sake of emphasis, we rejoice in the Holy Spirit’s guidance in every word! Jesus, the Messiah, is fully God and fully man. There was a time when the eternal Son of God, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, added humanity to His deity. He never became less God, but He added a human nature to His divine nature, and so became one person with two distinct natures, functioning together in perfect harmony
If Jesus were not fully man, He could not stand in the place of sinful man and be a substitute for the punishment man deserves. If He were not fully God, His sacrifice would be insufficient. If Jesus is not fully God and fully man, we are lost in sin
And the government will be upon His shoulder: Ultimately, this will be fulfilled in the Millennium, when Jesus Christ will rule the earth as King of Kings and Lord of Lords (Revelation 20:4-6, Psalm 72, Isaiah 2:1-4, Isaiah 11, Isaiah 65:17-25, Zechariah 14:6-21
His name will be called: The idea isn’t that these will be the literal names of the Messiah. Instead, these are aspects of His character, they describe who He is and what He has come to do
no answers from no answers Adam 7777 ? No problem because bible does have answers
Posted : 25 May, 2021 08:11 AM
continuing
The Messiah is Wonderful: The glory of who He is and what He has done for us should fill us with wonder. You can never really look at Jesus, really know Him, and be bored. He is Wonderful and will fill your heart and mind with amazement.
i. As well, this is a reference to the deity of Jesus. “The word ‘wonderful’ has overtones of deity” (Grogan). This is also seen in Judges 13:18.
Jesus is our Counselor in the sense that as God the Son, He takes counsel with the Father and the Holy Spirit for our good. The High Council of the Godhead brought forth our salvation. “Hence you read in the book of Zechariah, if you turn to the sixth chapter and the thirteenth verse, this passage – ‘The council of peace shall be between them both.’ The Son of God with his Father and the Spirit, ordained the council of peace
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The Messiah is Mighty God: He is the God of all creation and glory, the Lord who reigns in heaven, the One worthy of our worship and praise.
i. It is difficult to think of a more straightforward declaration of the deity of the Messiah. Yet some groups (such as Jehovah’s Witnesses) try to make a distinction between Mighty God and Almighty God. Scripturally, there is no distinction, because both titles are used of Jesus and Yahweh specifically (Almighty is applied to Jesus in Revelation 1:8).
ii. In Isaiah 10:21, the prophet uses the exact same phrase to refer to Yahweh: The remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God. Therefore, this is a clear statement of absolute deity
The Messiah is the Everlasting Father: The idea in these Hebrew words is that Jesus is the source or author of all eternity, that He is the Creator Himself. It does not mean that Jesus Himself is the Person of the Father in the Trinity it's that the two share of the same divine nature
The Messiah is the Prince of Peace: He is the One who makes peace, especially between God and man the one mediator
no answers from no answers Adam 7777 ? No problem because bible does have answers
Posted : 25 May, 2021 08:14 AM
and for an extra bonus let's toss in Isaiah 9:7 to further demonstrate that Jesus is God and debunk c u l t s like the Jehovah witnesses once and for all
Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this
Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end…even forever: The reign of the Messiah will not last merely 1,000 years, though the millennium is a special aspect of His reign. There will be no end to the reign of the Messiah, and He will rule for all eternity
i. Handel had it right in the Hallelujah chorus of Messiah: “And He shall reign forever and ever.”
b. Upon the throne of David: Jesus will rule on David’s throne and over his kingdom (that is, David’s kingdom – Israel). This is a fulfillment of God’s great covenant with David in 2 Samuel 7.
c. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this: All this may sound too good to be true, but it will be done. God – the Lord of all heavenly armies – has promised to accomplish this word, and part of it has been accomplished already
Jesus can be Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace for everyone now. One day, these offices will be imposed upon the world. For now, they are real for those who receive Jesus and submit to Him
no answers from no answers Adam 7777 ? No problem because bible does have answers
Posted : 25 May, 2021 08:14 AM
and for an extra bonus let's toss in Isaiah 9:7 to further demonstrate that Jesus is God and debunk c u l t s like the Jehovah witnesses once and for all
Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this
Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end…even forever: The reign of the Messiah will not last merely 1,000 years, though the millennium is a special aspect of His reign. There will be no end to the reign of the Messiah, and He will rule for all eternity
i. Handel had it right in the Hallelujah chorus of Messiah: “And He shall reign forever and ever.”
b. Upon the throne of David: Jesus will rule on David’s throne and over his kingdom (that is, David’s kingdom – Israel). This is a fulfillment of God’s great covenant with David in 2 Samuel 7.
c. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this: All this may sound too good to be true, but it will be done. God – the Lord of all heavenly armies – has promised to accomplish this word, and part of it has been accomplished already
Jesus can be Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace for everyone now. One day, these offices will be imposed upon the world. For now, they are real for those who receive Jesus and submit to Him
no answers from no answers Adam 7777 ? No problem because bible does have answers
Posted : 25 May, 2021 08:14 AM
and for an extra bonus let's toss in Isaiah 9:7 to further demonstrate that Jesus is God and debunk c u l t s like the Jehovah witnesses once and for all
Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this
Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end…even forever: The reign of the Messiah will not last merely 1,000 years, though the millennium is a special aspect of His reign. There will be no end to the reign of the Messiah, and He will rule for all eternity
i. Handel had it right in the Hallelujah chorus of Messiah: “And He shall reign forever and ever.”
b. Upon the throne of David: Jesus will rule on David’s throne and over his kingdom (that is, David’s kingdom – Israel). This is a fulfillment of God’s great covenant with David in 2 Samuel 7.
c. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this: All this may sound too good to be true, but it will be done. God – the Lord of all heavenly armies – has promised to accomplish this word, and part of it has been accomplished already
Jesus can be Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace for everyone now. One day, these offices will be imposed upon the world. For now, they are real for those who receive Jesus and submit to Him
For unto us a Child is born: This glorious prophecy of the birth of Messiah reminds Israel that the victory-bringing Messiah would be a man. Theoretically, the Messiah could have been an angel. Or, the Messiah could have been God without humanity. But in reality, neither of those options would have qualified the Messiah to be our Savior and High Priest as Jesus is. The Child had to be born.