Author	Thread: all three persons of the trinity are seven star generals -- yet we should salute them all in a subordinate sense
Admin	all three persons of the trinity are seven star generals -- yet we should salute them all in a subordinate sense Posted : 24 Apr, 2021 11:46 AM It may sound strange to speak of subordination within the Trinity. After all, Jesus and the Father are “one” (John 10:30). Subordination makes us think of a lower rank or a subservient position. To understand how there can be subordination in the Trinity, it is important to understand that there are different types of subordination. The biblical or orthodox view of the triune nature of God acknowledges an economic subordination in the Trinity but denies the heretical view of an ontological subordination. What does this mean? Simply that all three Persons of the Godhead are equal in nature. God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit all have the same divine nature and divine attributes. Contrary to the teaching of many cults, there is no ontological subordination (no difference in the nature of the three Persons of the Godhead). This means that the Trinity is not comprised of greater and lesser gods; rather, there is one God existing eternally in three co-equal Persons. What the Bible does teach is an economic (or relational) subordination within the Trinity. The three Persons of the triune Godhead voluntarily submit to each other respecting the roles They perform in creation and salvation. So, the Father sent the Son into the world (1 John 4:10). These roles are never reversed in Scripture: the Son never sends the Father. Likewise, the Holy Spirit is sent by Jesus and “proceeds from the Father” to testify of Christ (John 14:26; 15:26). And Jesus perfectly submitted His will to the Father’s (Luke 22:42; Hebrews 10:7). Economic or relational subordination is simply a term to describe the relationship that exists among God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Essentially, economic subordination within the Trinity refers to what God does while ontological subordination refers to who God is. Biblically, all three Persons of the Trinity have the same essence, nature, and glory, but each One has different roles or activities when it comes to how God relates to the world. For example, our salvation is based on the Father’s power and love (John 3:16; 10:29), the Son’s death and resurrection (1 John 2:2; Ephesians 2:6), and the Spirit’s regeneration and seal (Ephesians 4:30; Titus 3:5). The different tasks that we see the Father, Son, and Spirit perform are the result of the eternal relationship that exists among the Persons of the Trinity. The issue of subordination within the Trinity is nuanced, and the distinction between ontological and economic subordination is fine indeed. Theologians within Christian orthodoxy continue to debate the limits of subordination and its relation to the Incarnation of Christ. Such discussions are profitable as we study the Scriptures and think through the truth about the nature of God Post Reply
Moonlight7 View Profile History	all three persons of the trinity are seven star generals -- yet we should salute them all in a subordinate sense Posted : 24 Apr, 2021 12:51 PM Many "so called christians" don't believe in the Trinity. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. All 3 persons in One . So What Bible are they studying? Post Reply
ADAM7777 View Profile History	all three persons of the trinity are seven star generals -- yet we should salute them all in a subordinate sense Posted : 25 Apr, 2021 01:16 AM I guess it is hard to believe there is one Shepherd, and one name that alone is above all other, that one Lord Jesus Christ.. Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool. Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; Post Reply
View Profile History	all three persons of the trinity are seven star generals -- yet we should salute them all in a subordinate sense Posted : 25 Apr, 2021 02:46 AM We know this Adam but don't you believe in the Trinity ? Post Reply
ADAM7777 View Profile History	all three persons of the trinity are seven star generals -- yet we should salute them all in a subordinate sense Posted : 26 Apr, 2021 12:26 AM If trinity is important, we would not need to know just about Christ, focused only on Him, who dies for us, to take away the sin of why we died. That is why H has the name above all other, and all other talk and consideration is not the name of Christ, but of the devil. Post Reply