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Posted : 6 Apr, 2021 12:25 AM

Question for the sincere teacher of Christ.



Are Gods servants allowed to commit fornication, will God forgive the servants who are seduced to commit fornication ?





The first for consideration to that question is Revelation, and that doctrine of Balaam, ( the devil spirit in a falsely acting prophet) teaching to commit fornication.



Also Jezebel ( the devil spirit in a falsely acting prophet ) teaching Israel ( God servants) to commit fornication, and God casts all together to the same fate, except they repented of those deeds. Jezebel repented not.





Revelation then gives account of the works of men's hands ( their same evil deeds) and they repented not of their fornication.



Revelation ends on Gods judgement, of the earth corrupted with this fornication, and avenged His servants on the devils seducing spirit, for that seducing corruption in the earth in fornication...







Revelation 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.



Revelation 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.



Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.



Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whoore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.







So far, do we have a yes, God forgives for His servants committing fornication ?



Or is it a no answer?









Next to consider, and in order of the new testament we go to the Gospel of Christ.



Fornication defiles a man.



Does Christ forgive His servants for defiling themselves in fornication ?



If that is a yes, lets see what the rest of the entire new testament testifies about the same thing.









Matthew 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.











Filled with fornication, to commit fornication, and knowing the judgment of God, they which commit such things are worthy of death.







Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.







Remembering also the judgement of God on the seducing of Israel, to commit fornication, by the seducing spirits.



Israel who are exampled of committing fornication, died in one day twenty three thousand.



Gods servants are to not commit fornication, is testified of the lust of evil things, Israel fell for lusting after.



The ones who did fornication in the law of Moses died without mercy.



Now the Lord shall judge His people, and is the example of Israel committing fornication one of forgiveness by God, or of them dying as punishment, as example ?



Again asking the question, does God forgive Hi servants for committing fornication ?







Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:



Hebrews 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.







1 Corinthians 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.







The works of the flesh are fornication, and do the servants of God who do these things receive forgiveness from God, or they do not, and do not inherit the Kingdom of God ?







Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.









Does God forgive His servants for committing fornication ?



Fornication is not to be named once among saints, as the fornicator has no inheritance in the Kingdom of Christ and of God.







Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.







Testified to make dead any ability to commit fornication.



To put off fornication, ( by putting on Christ)



Putting off the old mans deeds ( fornication )



Can the servant of God still commit fornication, will they be forgiven ?







Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;







God sanctifying His servants.



God's servants knowing how to not commit fornication ( Gods Holy Spirit given into them )



No longer not knowing God, by committing fornication, God avenging the ones who defraud their brother in any matter.



Can the servants of God still commit fornication, is this possible while knowing God.



Does God say He forgives for His servants committing fornication ?







1 Thessalonians 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;

5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:

6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.









Sodom giving themselves over to fornication, are set forth for an example suffering that vengeance of the Lord in eternal fire.



The filthy dreamers likewise defile the flesh ( defiled in fornication, as in the Gospels )



Can Gods servants do the same fornication as the example of eternal fire vengeance, and be forgiven by God ?





Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

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LittleDavid

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Posted : 6 Apr, 2021 07:25 AM

Adam remains blinded by his sinless perfectionism heresy. He has yet to understand the difference between living in sin as a habit of continuing sin (which the Bible condemns) and the difference of living righteously while still incarcerated in a sinful human body.

Those who live righteously never claim sinless perfectionism because they believe God’s Word that clearly teaches about the sinful human nature.

The truly righteous, born again believer know their sinful human nature is alive and well and ready to express itself in rebellion against the law of God.

The truly righteous also know they must be on constant guard against the pull of the sinful flesh. This means daily putting to death its wicked desires.

Righteous people are trained by the word of God to recognize and resist the deceitfulness of their own hearts whenever it tries to disguise sin.

On the other hand, those who believe they are sinless or perfect or both have lowered the meaning of sin to such a low level as if sin were an occasional “mistake”

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Posted : 7 Apr, 2021 09:16 AM

Sorry to give such a difficult question, the Pharisees did answer Jesus when asked about righteousness, that they cannot tell.



Perhaps some more verses of Corinthians might steer us on the path to the right answer, if God servants can commit fornication, and it be forgivable ?





The unrighteous are those who commit fornication, who say they are washed, and get washed again, to do fornication after claiming to be sanctified, in the process of being justified, or are justified as Christ will forgive their unrighteous fornication ?





1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.







But God testifies, we are joined to the Lord as one Spirit.



When a servant of God would commit fornication, sinning against their own body that is joined to the Lord as one, God would forgive that ? To not glorify God in our body but to blaspheme Him, does anyone see that as forgivable by God ?



1 Corinthians 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.





Then the commandment is to not accompany with fornicators.



Not to keep company with anyone who claims to be a servant of God, but has said they fornicated and God forgave them. ( as they say God forgives them for whatever they do, because they say nobody can void doing unrighteousness some times.



But God describes the brother who is a fornicator as a wicked person, so how does the wicked claim to have forgiveness...



1 Corinthians 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

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Posted : 7 Apr, 2021 11:50 AM

Nothing new to see here.

Adam remains unable to justify his sinless perfectionism heresy so instead Adam resorts to twisting scripture in an attempt to make himself appear as an angel of light. He relentlessly and falsely accuses those who expose him and his false teachings.

False prophets have persecuted God’s prophets and people since the beginning.

Adam is behaving EXACTLY like false teachers and false prophets have done down through the centuries!!

Adam FALSELY accuses other members of saying we should confess our sin in order to continue in sin.

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Posted : 7 Apr, 2021 08:10 PM

David posts - 'Adam remains blinded by his sinless perfectionism heresy. He has yet to understand the difference between living in sin as a habit of continuing sin (which the Bible condemns) and the difference of living righteously while still incarcerated in a sinful human body.



The blind David has to CLAIM others are blind (Adam is NOT blind LIAR David!) in order to cover his sin, like smoke and mirrors, of his OWN REAL blindness to readers on this forum BUTTTT they all know him well by his heresy of continual sinning perfectionism! Note how David 'speaks' - 'of living righteously' but all throughout the forum and threads he CONTRADICTS himself, claims we will always give into the 'sinful human body' while on level earth, as if the body is the problem and NOT the mind and heart that DRIVES the 'vehicle' body we live in! David is the perfect example of continually sinning in his own 'divine' perfection on a >>>weekly<<< basis, claiming there is ONLY six >>>days<<< of the >>>week<<< now, because SOMEHOW there is no Sabbath to be kept, which of course is the 7th >>>day<<< of CREATION >>>week<<<! So he chooses to stay 'incarcerated in (that) sin' by mind and heart, in which his body follows along with his commands! OUCH!



David posts - 'Those who live righteously never claim sinless perfectionism because they believe God’s Word that clearly teaches about the sinful human nature.'



Note readers how David does the switch in now claiming Christians can NOW 'Those who live righteously' but throughout the forum and many threads changes his mind OFTEN and says they CANNOT 'live righteously' on the level earth this side of heaven! Strange yo yo, up and down contradicting doctrine old globe head David teaches??? Then he gets really weird in hallucinations and dreams up persons on this forum are personally claiming 'sinless perfectionism' when its the BIBLE that says by the POWER OF YHWH anyone can LIVE a sin free life! So of course David has to distract in accusations ONLY, so as to NOT discuss what the Bible CLEARLY teaches on perfection from heaven and being DEAD to the old 'sinful human nature', as a NEW human creature, born again, driven by the NEW Nature of Christ by His example for us and in us!



David posts - 'The truly righteous, born again believer know their sinful human nature is alive and well and ready to express itself in rebellion against the law of God. '



Note AGAIN readers how David does the switch in now claiming Christians can NOW be 'truly righteous, born again believer' but then contradicts himself AGAIN by his own strength and might, claiming that same 'truly righteous believer' once again should focus BACK to that 'sinful human nature' and claim it could EVER be 'alive and well and ready' to 'rebel' AGAIN to 'the (TORAH) Law of YHWH'??? David posts - 'Adam remains blinded by his sinless perfectionism heresy. He has yet to understand the difference between living in sin as a habit of continuing sin (which the Bible condemns) and the difference of living righteously while still incarcerated in a sinful human body.



The blind David has to CLAIM others are blind (Adam is NOT blind LIAR David!) in order to cover his sin, like smoke and mirrors, of his OWN REAL blindness to readers on this forum BUTTTT they all know him well by his heresy of continual sinning perfectionism! Note how David 'speaks' - 'of living righteously' but all throughout the forum and threads he CONTRADICTS himself, claims we will always give into the 'sinful human body' while on level earth, as if the body is the problem and NOT the mind and heart that DRIVES the 'vehicle' body we live in! David is the perfect example of continually sinning in his own 'divine' perfection on a >>>weekly<<< basis, claiming there is ONLY six >>>days<<< of the >>>week<<< now, because SOMEHOW there is no Sabbath to be kept, which of course is the 7th >>>day<<< of CREATION >>>week<<<! So he chooses to stay 'incarcerated in (that) sin' by mind and heart, in which his body follows along with his commands! OUCH!



David posts - 'Those who live righteously never claim sinless perfectionism because they believe God’s Word that clearly teaches about the sinful human nature.'



Note readers how David does the switch in now claiming Christians can NOW 'Those who live righteously' but throughout the forum and many threads changes his mind OFTEN and says they CANNOT 'live righteously' on the level earth this side of heaven! Strange yo yo, up and down contradicting doctrine old globe head David teaches??? Then he gets really weird in hallucinations and dreams up persons on this forum are personally claiming 'sinless perfectionism' when its the BIBLE that says by the POWER OF YHWH anyone can LIVE a sin free life! So of course David has to



distract in accusations ONLY, so as to NOT discuss what the Bible CLEARLY teaches on perfection from heaven and being DEAD to the old 'sinful



human nature', as a NEW human creature, born again, driven by the NEW Nature of Christ by His example for us and in us!



David posts - 'The truly righteous, born again believer know their sinful human nature is alive and well and ready to express itself in rebellion against



the law of God. '



Note AGAIN readers how David does the switch in now claiming Christians can NOW be 'truly righteous, born again believer' but then contradicts



himself AGAIN by his own strength and might, claiming that same 'truly righteous believer' once again should focus BACK to that 'sinful human



nature' and claim it could EVER be 'alive and well and ready' to 'rebel' AGAIN to 'the (TORAH) Law of YHWH'??? Why would a saint even want to



give that old life (sinful nature) another chance 'to live' in them when they NOW have the POWER OF YHWH to keep from sinning!?



David posts - 'The truly righteous also know they must be on constant guard against the pull of the sinful flesh. This means daily putting to death its



wicked desires.'



Note the AMAZING comment that NOW echos what Adam has been teaching all along, that David is FINALLY catching on too, even if he might still



be jealous of Adam's gift in teaching RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH of the CONTEXT in the Bible on the subject! YES! As David FINALLY implies -



DAILY confirming to DEATH 'wicked desires' by the POWER OF YHWH, that we CANNOT do on our own!





David posts - 'Righteous people are trained by the word of God to recognize and resist the deceitfulness of their own hearts whenever it tries to



disguise sin.'



Note readers how David gets a little confused here about WHAT the actual complete 'training' is in 'the word of YHWH' but does not mention about



the EMPOWERMENT that comes after 'training' is in 'the word of YHWH' to be DEAD to the POTENTIAL 'deceitfulness of the heart' of the old life



that 'tries to disguise sin' as being no sin! Much like the example of the Sabbath, the 7th DAY of CREATION and we should not give into the



'deceitfulness of the heart' of the old life of breaking the Sabbath, that 'tries to disguise (that) sin' as being no sin! YICKS!





David posts - 'On the other hand, those who believe they are sinless or perfect or both have lowered the meaning of sin to such a low level as if sin



were an occasional “mistake” '



Even though NOBODY is personally claiming on this forum they are 'sinless or perfect' or making 'occasional mistake(s)' in evidence, there IS



THOSE on this forum that have 'lowered the (TRUE) meaning of (WHAT) sin' is like breaking the Sabbath, yet thinking it 'were an occasional



“mistake” ' when its evident its a weekly habit of breaking of TORAH LAW! OUCH come judgment day!



Now that is what I call in 'question for the sincere teacher of (and in) Christ.' Why would a saint even want to



give that old life (sinful nature) another chance 'to live' in them when they NOW have the POWER OF YHWH to keep from sinning!?



David posts - 'The truly righteous also know they must be on constant guard against the pull of the sinful flesh. This means daily putting to death its



wicked desires.'



Note the AMAZING comment that NOW echos what Adam has been teaching all along, that David is FINALLY catching on too, even if he might still



be jealous of Adam's gift in teaching RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH of the CONTEXT in the Bible on the subject! YES! As David FINALLY implies -



DAILY confirming to DEATH 'wicked desires' by the POWER OF YHWH, that we CANNOT do on our own!





David posts - 'Righteous people are trained by the word of God to recognize and resist the deceitfulness of their own hearts whenever it tries to



disguise sin.'



Note readers how David gets a little confused here about WHAT the actual complete 'training' is in 'the word of YHWH' but does not mention about



the EMPOWERMENT that comes after 'training' is in 'the word of YHWH' to be DEAD to the POTENTIAL 'deceitfulness of the heart' of the old life



that 'tries to disguise sin' as being no sin! Much like the example of the Sabbath, the 7th DAY of CREATION and we should not give into the



'deceitfulness of the heart' of the old life of breaking the Sabbath, that 'tries to disguise (that) sin' as being no sin! YICKS!





David posts - 'On the other hand, those who believe they are sinless or perfect or both have lowered the meaning of sin to such a low level as if sin



were an occasional “mistake” '



Even though NOBODY is personally claiming on this forum they are 'sinless or perfect' or making 'occasional mistake(s)' in evidence, there IS



THOSE on this forum that have 'lowered the (TRUE) meaning of (WHAT) sin' is like breaking the Sabbath, yet thinking it 'were an occasional



“mistake” ' when its evident its a weekly habit of breaking of TORAH LAW! OUCH come judgment day!



Now that is what I call in 'question for the sincere teacher of (and in) Christ.'

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Posted : 8 Apr, 2021 09:39 AM

Once again, Flat Earth TeddyBug, who says you’re an atheist if you believe the earth is round, continues to misquote and exaggerate other poster’s comments.

Nothing new to see here. Same O same O

Seems the TeddyBug embodies the best evidence against his own false teaching claiming the Father keeps him as perfect as Jesus‼️

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